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Just in time to avert cancellation of a full season and just before the union's deadline for filing a disclaimer of interest to clear the way for an anti-trust lawsuit by players, the National Hockey League and the NHL Players' Association have reached a tentative deal to end the lockout that has led to the cancellation of half the season. From the beginning, the question was how much the players would concede. That's generally a feature of lockouts—management locks out workers to weaken them—and in this case we're talking about a giant power and money grab, so it's all the more so. In that context, the tentative deal could be worse:

“Hockey-related revenue”: The league and players will split so-called “hockey-related revenue” evenly, a rollback from the previous bargaining agreement, which split revenue 57-43 in favor of players (it is important to note that hockey-related revenue is not comprised of all revenue NHL teams make, so this isn’t actually an even split). Players had agreed to a 50-50 split early in negotiations, even though that concession will likely lead to salary reductions. The union did, however, succeed in getting $300 million for “make whole” payments, which should partially mitigate at least some of the early salary reductions.

Salary cap: The league’s salary cap, the amount each team can spend in a year on player salaries, will rise to $70.2 million this year before falling back to $64.3 million next season, matching its previous level. Players wanted to move the salary cap higher, owners wanted it lower. The lower cap will likely lead to higher player payments into escrow accounts, which are used to ensure that the league’s hockey-related revenue split works over the course of the season. Players have previously expressed fears that higher payments into escrow accounts could lead to de facto salary reductions if league revenue falls short of projections.

Additionally, contract structure provisions in the tentative deal fall between the owners' demands and where they had been until the lockout; again, it's a question of the players successfully limiting concession demands rather than doing anything that would normally look like winning.

Details are still being worked out for a final deal, after which both owners and players will have to vote on it. Hockey games could resume as soon as Jan. 15.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 09:54 AM PST.

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  •  Probably closer to 19th (4+ / 0-)
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    ranger995, frankzappatista, Loge, Bronx59

    for games to resume -- once the "I"s are crossed and the "T"s are dotted, there will be the logistics of gathering all the players, and some of those who played overseas may run into some visa issues (there are usually a few latecomers to regular training camps thanks to red tape).

    It'll be the toughest on the young players trying to break into the big leagues -- many teams will probably just leave them with their AHL affiliates unless the scouts really saw some standouts -- and for those teams with new coaching staffs because it's going to be harder to set up new offensive/defensive schemes. At least most of the players are already in game shape -- a significant number did play in Europe during the lockout, and those who didn't go overseas managed to get in work here either with minor league clubs or by getting groups together for regular skates (several of the San Jose Sharks rented ice time at the arena where they normally practice).

    Looking at the CBA though, I feel like "We lost 3 months of hockey for THIS?" I don't see anything there that couldn't have been decided within a month of negotiations. But the hardliners (of which the Sharks ownership were not a part, I'm happy to say) wanted to teach the players a lesson...now they just have to hope the fans come back.

    There've been suggestions that the NHL should consider making their Center Ice TV package and NHL Game Center online service (where you can watch every game) free for this "season" -- remains to be seen if they'll do it.

    "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now" -- Rev. William Barber, NAACP

    by Cali Scribe on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 10:32:31 AM PST

    •  They're going to need to something (3+ / 0-)

      I've been watching this unfold, and there are many fans (myself included) who plan to boycott this shortened season in protest of the moneygrubbing.

      Critical Thinking: The Other National Deficit.

      by cultjake on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 10:34:36 AM PST

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      •  Probably won't get to many games (3+ / 0-)

        just because of lack of time/money, but we'll still watch because we love hockey (at least it'll help fill the time between now and when baseball ramps up). Also remember those affected who had no say in the matter: arena employees, parking lot attendants, concession sellers, local restaurants that see a lot of traffic from arena events (and it was pretty much too late to book any events to replace those blocked out dates on the calendar). You can even include local transit numbers in some areas -- a lot of people take CalTrain or light rail to Sharks games in San Jose. Those folks are going to be glad to at least get a few extra paychecks. (My spouse applied for a job as an usher at HP Pavilion; in hindsight probably good he didn't get it, not just because of the lockout but because things have been busy with helping his mom. He's going to try again next fall though, and this time more prepared for the process.)

        "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now" -- Rev. William Barber, NAACP

        by Cali Scribe on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 10:41:10 AM PST

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    •  That would be awesome! nt (2+ / 0-)

      "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

      by ranger995 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 10:35:28 AM PST

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      •  It certainly would (1+ / 0-)
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        Was thinking today of going ahead and picking up the Center Ice service -- for only 48-50 games it likely wouldn't cost that much (usually just over $100 for a half season if you pick it up after the All Star Game), but free would be even better. Ditto with Game Center (I do use some of the free services -- their stats are better than any other sources). Going to be a little tough to fully get into hockey mode -- I'm really gearing up for spring training in just over a month with my team making its championship defense (#SFGiants). But I'll be interested to see how the players bounce back. Next year I think will be a bigger indicator of how the league in general will rebound.

        "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now" -- Rev. William Barber, NAACP

        by Cali Scribe on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 10:46:35 AM PST

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  •  I love that you use the DEVILS picture for these (2+ / 0-)
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    stories. They are the most bestest NHL team ever.

    "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

    by ranger995 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 10:34:47 AM PST

  •  Settlement will give Fox, Krauthammer, etc. a sad. (1+ / 0-)
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    If only there were no unions anywhere bthe poor NHL owners could pursue their Socialistic share-the-wealth (by owners) unfettered.

    Delenda est filibuster!

    by TofG on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 10:39:38 AM PST

  •  Season is over. (1+ / 0-)
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    a2nite

    If you don't want to put up with this as a hockey fan, don't go to any of the games. Show the NHL that lockouts are bad for business.

    We get what we want - or what we fail to refuse. - Muhammad Yunus

    by nightsweat on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 10:40:49 AM PST

    •  It is a damn hard addiction to break (4+ / 0-)

      worse than smoking, IMHO.  With the help of a doctor, I was able to quit smoking. Quit following Les Habitants?  Not so much.

      Fortunately, college hockey is a real gas!

      These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people... -Abraham Lincoln

      by HugoDog on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 10:45:26 AM PST

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      •  Here's another vote (3+ / 0-)
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        for college hockey...go see....enjoy!

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        by Blue Collar on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 10:47:56 AM PST

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      •  J'aime mes Canadiens... (1+ / 0-)
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        and the Miami Redhawks.   :-)

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        by Lorinda Pike on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 10:50:38 AM PST

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      •  How 'bout a little AHL? (3+ / 0-)
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        They date back to 1936 so it's no Johnny come lately league and I can tell you here in Chicago it's as much fun to see the Wolves play (for less money and from better seats) as the 'Hawks.

        We get what we want - or what we fail to refuse. - Muhammad Yunus

        by nightsweat on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 10:53:34 AM PST

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        •  We've caught a few SF Bulls games (3+ / 0-)
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          on the local Comcast Hometown channel -- they're ECHL so even lower than AHL, but it's been fun and it'll be kind of nice in a few years looking at a box score for an NHL game and seeing a familiar name. (They benefitted in a way from the lockout; Sharks forward Ryane Clowe worked out with the team and served as an assistant coach -- wonder if he's thinking of moving behind the bench when his career's up -- and former Shark -- now Wild -- forward Torrey Mitchell skated a couple of games with the team before the lockout ended.)

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          by Cali Scribe on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 10:58:26 AM PST

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        •  Minor league hockey is great (2+ / 0-)
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          They skate a little slower than the NHL, but still great.

          These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people... -Abraham Lincoln

          by HugoDog on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 11:28:12 AM PST

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        •  Can no longer watch the Wolves (1+ / 0-)
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          now that they are affiliated with the Vancouver Canucks.  I've noticed that the team isn't nearly as good this year as in the recent past.  Being a Blackhawks fan, I would have to drive up to Rockford to see an AHL game.

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          by wordene on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 11:50:18 AM PST

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        •  Been there (1+ / 0-)
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          nightsweat

          I'm on the other end of that rivalry (Milwaukee Admirals)

          Those who support banning cocaine are no better than those who support banning cheeseburgers

          by EthrDemon on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 11:50:23 AM PST

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      •  Central Hockey League (1+ / 0-)
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        A new CHL team launched here in Denver this year, the Cutthroats (named after the state fish) who are the AA team of the Avs.  A mix of young Avs prospects and older ex-NHL players who love the game.  At $15 for lower bowl tickets, I can take my whole family for less than NHL tickets that require supplemental oxygen and high-powered binoculars.  CHL, AHL, ECHL, college - there are lots of great alternatives to the NHL.

        •  hey jackaroe (0+ / 0-)

          I like your screen name.

          Haven't gone to any Cutthroat games, but I understand the goalies, both Avs prospects, are playing great.

          "Political ends as sad remains will die." - YES 'And You and I' ; -8.88, -9.54

          by US Blues on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 12:00:50 PM PST

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          •  Thanks! (1+ / 0-)
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            I like yours too!  8/9/95, never forget.  

            Patterson and Milan are probably two of the best goalies in the CHL and both are Avs draftees.  Milan just got back from a call up to the Lake Erie Monsters, not a great stint but the coach was pretty impressed by him.  Including Milan, the Monsters have called up 6 Denver players, so there is some good talent here.  

            The Coliseum is a great venue, there is not a bad seat in the house.  It is owned by the city of Denver and all the money from the team's 30 year lease goes to the city.  At 60 years old, it proves billionaires don't need a new arena/stadium every 10 years publicly subsidized at the expense of basic services. If you come to a game, stop by sec 134, row 4, I'll by you a beer.  I sit there with my rabidly right-wing father-in-law as a way to bridge the peace as hockey is the only thing we agree on.  

            •  Thank you (0+ / 0-)

              It's hard to get me out of Boulder these days, especially with construction on 36, getting to Denver is a PITA!!

              I went to the March Pow Wow a few years ago so I'm familiar with the building. Of course I kept hallucinating about the GD shows there back in 73- that must have been a scene.

              The Avs have quite the stable of goalie prospects, and a potential superstar in Varly, goods times. From what I've read people are enjoying the Cutthroats, which is a good thing.

              Peace

              "Political ends as sad remains will die." - YES 'And You and I' ; -8.88, -9.54

              by US Blues on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 02:03:22 PM PST

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    •  I gave up Major League Baseball (1+ / 0-)
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      nightsweat

      after they cancelled the world series and have never look back, I will not be toyed with.

      Jesus was a bleeding heart liberal

      by BeeClone on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 10:48:06 AM PST

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  •  Why a front page story on hockey (3+ / 0-)

    when there are more vital and pressing issues like GO SEAHAWKS GO SEAHAWKS GO SEAHAWKS!!!!!

    There are two types of republicans, the rich and the stupid. The rich ones strive to keep the stupid ones stupid and the stupid ones strive to keep the rich ones rich.

    by frankzappatista on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 10:42:19 AM PST

  •  I don't watch much hockey (2+ / 0-)
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    thanks, in part, to Dollar Bill Wirtz who kept the Blackhawks off free TV for so long. Good to see the owners care so deeply about their fans that they decided not to cancel the whole season. I'm touched by their love for the game, but I think I'll stick to watching basketball and football.  

    •  They have been on TV since Rocky took over (0+ / 0-)

      just after Dollar Bill passed on.  Roughly half their games are on WGN-TV with the other half on whatever they are now calling SportsChannel (with the NBC purchase of Comcast).  The cable channel is usually on every providers basic plan, so it is almost like being on "free" TV.

      -9.88, -7.44 Social Security as is will be solvent until 2037, and the measures required to extend solvency beyond that are minor. -- Joe Conanson

      by wordene on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 11:54:03 AM PST

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      •  I'm an old guy (0+ / 0-)

        so my formative years as a sports fan were spent watching the Bears, Bulls, and Cubs. I think Rocky has done a way better job marketing his team and his sport (although I have no idea where he stood in this latest labor dispute), but I think it's too late for me to become a big die-hard hockey fan.

        •  I was born just after the 61 cup, so I cut my (1+ / 0-)
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          sports teeth with my slightly older uncle's newspaper clippings of that event and playing hockey on the basement floor (we even iced the puck in the old icebox in said basement).  It was very difficult to follow the team through the Dollar Bill years, since TV was my only option of seeing them.

          It's probably bad of me to say that the first thought I had when the news of Dollar Bill's death came out, I could only think of Rocky putting the home games on TV.  My hockey fandom may have faded a bit during the interim, but I frequently snuck peeks in the sports section to see how they were doing from time to time.

          -9.88, -7.44 Social Security as is will be solvent until 2037, and the measures required to extend solvency beyond that are minor. -- Joe Conanson

          by wordene on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 05:28:48 PM PST

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  •  329 bucks (3+ / 0-)
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    ranger995, Sharon Wraight, HugoDog

    that is what it cost a family of  4 to go NHL hockey game.

    http://www.fancostexperience.com/...

    Does anyone else see a problem with that?

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    by MrBigDaddy on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 10:52:18 AM PST

    •  not if done right (2+ / 0-)
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      frankzappatista, Cali Scribe

      you can get groupons for coyotes games, or buy on the secondary market for well below market price. I've gotten tickets for as little as 50 bucks.

      eat at home, or even at a restaurant beforehand and don't buy a jersey at the game and it's very doable date night.

      •  Depends on the matchup too (0+ / 0-)

        If you're only interested in seeing the Penguins (Crosby) or Capitals (Ovechkin) when they come into town, be prepared to pay big bucks. OTOH, if you just want to see a game you can probably pick up a decent seat when Columbus or Nashville comes to town. (Going to miss Steve Ott with the Dallas Stars though -- had fun one birthday sitting about 10 rows behind the Stars penalty box yelling, "Hey, Ott, YOU SUCK!" when he got called for a 2-minute penalty.)

        "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now" -- Rev. William Barber, NAACP

        by Cali Scribe on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 11:14:21 AM PST

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      •  and Ive gotten tickets for free (0+ / 0-)

        thats not the point.  We are talking average here, and thus the point, that this type of entertainment has surpassed the average americans ability to enjoy live.

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        by MrBigDaddy on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 01:07:39 PM PST

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    •  80 bucks (1+ / 0-)
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      HugoDog

      That is a big reason I lost interest in the NHL long before the latest lock-out.  It costs me less than $80 to take my family of four to a CHL game.  Tickets, food and even beer included. (Okay, maybe only one beer).  Plus, incredibly friendly and accessible players that will hang out after every game signing autographs for my kids.  

    •  Not much different (1+ / 0-)
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      HugoDog

      than an NFL or NBA game these days. Or taking your family to a concert or Broadway show.

      If you play your dates right and plan ahead, baseball might still be the best bargain in pro sports, mainly because of the number of games. And much of the excess can be trimmed by having a good meal before the game (thus limiting the need for food/drink at the stadium/arena) and by buying gear ahead of time (hats/T-shirts) that you can wear to every game. The spouse and I got Sharks jerseys a few years ago as Christmas presents for ourselves -- we wear those every time we go to a game, with long-sleeved T-shirts underneath for extra warmth. Ditto with our Giants hats/sweatshirts.

      "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now" -- Rev. William Barber, NAACP

      by Cali Scribe on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 11:06:23 AM PST

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      •  Yep, it's all supply and demand. (1+ / 0-)
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        For teams that sell out every game, prices are higher; for the teams that are in the basement, it's easier to get cheap ones. And it's all about the total number of home game tickets per season.

        For the NFL, you've got only 8 home games in a season—but the arenas have a large capacity, averaging 70,000. So that's 560,000 home tickets per season. That's why NFL tickets tend to be the most expensive.

        For the NHL and NBA, you've got 41 home games (in an 82-game season)... but the arenas are smaller, usually around 20,000 people. That's 820,000 home tickets per season—and for a team that's selling out most of its games, those tickets are going to be a hot commodity.

        For MLB, you've got stadium sizes that tend to be between the small NHL/NBA arenas and the big NFL stadiums—around 40,000 people—but MLB teams play almost twice as many home games as the NHL/NBA teams, 81 per season. So that's 3,200,000 home tickets per season—which is why baseball tickets are the cheapest of the Big 4.

        "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

        by JamesGG on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 11:34:48 AM PST

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    •  Depends on where you go (0+ / 0-)

      If you live in Raleigh, they have family night deals with decent priced tickets and deals on dogs/sodas.  You could go for much less than that.

      The 'Canes are going to be a team to beat in the Southeast this season with Two Staals (Eric and Jordan) and Semin and Skinner.  Too bad we lost Ruutu to a hip injury.  I cancelled my season tickets out of protest during the lockout after 10 years.. but.. the addiction just doesn't go away.  I will be back but in a different capacity and with a different attitude. I did get a ticket package for our AHL team that is 2.5 hours one way from here in Charlotte.

      Just a side note, the Charlotte Checkers played the Norfork Admirals yesterday in Raleigh and had over 10,000 people come for the game. Yes 10,000 people went to a minor league hockey game in the South on a Sunday Afternoon.

      Go Canes. Go Checkers. Go Ferris State Bulldogs.

      Why do Republicans Hate Americans?

      by Caniac41 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 12:14:34 PM PST

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  •  What's that saying again? (0+ / 0-)

    No, not the fool me twice one.

    This one:

    "What if a tree fell in a forest and no one . . . . "

  •  I really appreciate you following this Laura (3+ / 0-)
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    In spite of some of the comments (why would you put down anothers passion?) this is an important sport and story.  Hockey brings in 3.3 billion. Not insignificant (NBA 5 billion-MLB-7.5 and football 9).  For us fans who love the sport this is big news. The problem is that you cannot boycott the owners without boycotting the players.  The plutocrats own the system. What else is new?  Even though the players make a lot of money they are 750 out of tens of thousands and it is a typical labor fight. I think that the players did OK under the circimstances and will totally support my LA Kings Stanley Cup Champions!

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    by Doc Allen on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 10:57:14 AM PST

    •  When you think of the physical (1+ / 0-)
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      punishment the bodies go through, and often most of those players are going to have to pay for future physical rehab out of pocket, overall they're not paid nearly enough. For every Crosby or Nash making huge salaries, there are dozens of 3rd and 4th liners making just over league minimum (which isn't small potatoes but still a drop in the bucket if you're facing lifelong health issues). And think of how much we've learned about concussions from the NHL and NFL -- and how that may have helped in Hillary Clinton's diagnoses and treatments.

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      by Cali Scribe on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 11:10:36 AM PST

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    •  On local news in Minnesota (0+ / 0-)

      There was some talk that local businesses in St Paul, which depend a lot on hockey for revenue (restaurants, e.g.), were organizing to sue the league over the strike--well, second strike since the new arena was built with public money. I was beginning to be interested to see what would have come of that suit.

      Not sure if this applies to what you were saying, but I saw "plutocrats" and thought I'd share. A lawsuit that would've hit them where it hurts.

  •  Very happy (5+ / 0-)

    To have hockey back.

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    by Adam Bink on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 10:59:17 AM PST

  •  LGR! (1+ / 0-)
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    Let's Go Rangers!

  •  A hockey crisis? (0+ / 0-)

    Sorry.  I can't get excited over millionaires having a hissy fit and renaming it a strike/lockout.  It's a pure case of billionaires fighting with millionaires over nothng.  If the players don't like it they should get real jobs.  This is a waste of space.

    •  Funny, (4+ / 0-)
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      that's the same thing the GOP says about teachers: "If they don't like it, they should get real jobs."

      All a matter of opinion, I guess.

      "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now" -- Rev. William Barber, NAACP

      by Cali Scribe on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 11:15:52 AM PST

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    •  Being a hockey player is a real job (2+ / 0-)
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      and I don't even like hockey.  They labor, they create a product, the product is sold, they get paid handsomely because it sells well.  

    •  The players have real jobs. (1+ / 0-)
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      They perform several times a week for tens of thousands of people in the arenas and watching on TV, bringing in billions of dollars in overall revenue.

      Why are they any less deserving of the fruits of their labor than any other working person?

      "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

      by JamesGG on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 11:24:49 AM PST

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  •  Let's go Blues!!! (0+ / 0-)

    I'm ready to Bleed Blue.

  •  One thing missed in this recap is the only "win" (1+ / 0-)
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    for the players -- a defined benefit pension plan instead of the defined contribution (and paltry at that) plan under the previous CBAs.

    In total, though, the deal as it appears to stand does nothing regarding the reasons why it was stated to have started in the first place -- this CBA does next to nothing to help out the small market teams.

    -9.88, -7.44 Social Security as is will be solvent until 2037, and the measures required to extend solvency beyond that are minor. -- Joe Conanson

    by wordene on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 11:57:53 AM PST

  •  Real issue was salary floor, not ceiling (0+ / 0-)

    As was explained to me by a friend who has personal knowledge of the negotiations, a big issue for the league and owners that didn't get any press coverage was the salary floor, which is around $54 million if I remember correctly. This is the total minimum payroll each team has been obligated to spend on player salaries. I don't believe any of the other major 3 professional sports leagues has a similar salary floor in their agreements with their respective players unions. This floor has been a curse for small market teams w/ lower attendance, like Phoenix and Columbus. That's where big losses have been incurred by teams. There's revenue sharing between franchises like in baseball, but if the league is to be believed and only 10 franchises are actually making money and 20 are not, then revenue sharing won't work. League revenues from TV, etc. were up to $3.3 billion pre-strike, so it seems like there's money out there. It just may not be enough to cover the losses from teams hurt by the salary floor. The salary floor, while definitely good for players in one way, may be to the detriment of the league's overall health.

    Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.

    by Citizen Earth on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 12:14:13 PM PST

  •  Burn it Down! (0+ / 0-)

    People! Wakeup! Boycott the NHL Bums. Did they ask you what you though about the lockout? Did they consider your feelings or interests in any of their decsions. Your paying for their rinks, with your tax dollars! (You make them rich..you are the NHL!!)  Did the arrogant money-grubbing owners care about the workers or businesses that suffered job losses and layoffs while they lay on the sand of their vacation homes NO! ("Gosh Uncle Beer Barrell when do you think I can get down to the rink with my $75 seat and drink a 4oz $10 beer and eat my $15 dollar hotdog") !!! Wake Up!! Burn Down the NHL!!

  •  Of Course the Players Lost (0+ / 0-)

    "...again, it's a question of the players successfully limiting concession demands rather than doing anything that would normally look like winning"

    This is the nature of a "Lockout".  It's the opposite of a strike.  WHen the Owners are happy, they are content for the CBA to run out and play under that agreement forever.  Then the players strike, like they did in football in 1987.  Under a strike scenario, the Owners like the status quo, so anything they agree to to settle will be a concession and a loss (limited "Plan B" free-agency in 1987).  

    When the players are happy, and the Owners are not making enough money, or worse, are losing money, then the players are happy to let the CBA run out and work under the old terms forever, like the recent NBA and NFL deals.  The Owners gave away too much in their previous deals, and it was  agreat deal for the players - so the Owner's lock them out and say we're not doing this anymore under these terms.  It's not worth it to us.  Under a lock-out, the players are always going to lose something (unless it's MLB, where the players seem to always win?).

    The players lost here, but apparently, they still have a pretty good overall deal (afterall, they are paid to do something most of us would do for free if we could!).  In the end, the Owner's must have decided that they weren't as bad off as they said they were, and that it was better for them economically to settle and play, than to cancel the season.

    Like someone said here in evaluating the tax deal:  Is the deal better for you than no deal at all would have been?  For the players, that is definitely true.  Obviously, for the Owners that must be true too.

  •  As a HUGE hockeyfan, I honestly wonder (0+ / 0-)

    if its better to just wait until this next fall to start the season over. I mean, honestly how will the playoff structure work, and then the Stanley Cup finals?. Are all the teams seriously ready to begin at this point???? Lots of questions......

    •  there was that (0+ / 0-)

      official in parliament who suggested that year the Cup be competed for by amateurs. After all, originally Lord Stanley issued the cup for the promotion of amateur ice hockey.

      These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people... -Abraham Lincoln

      by HugoDog on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 02:41:47 PM PST

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  •  There's been a lockout? Had no idea. n/t (0+ / 0-)

    Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense. Carl Sagan

    by sjburnman on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 02:18:53 PM PST

  •  Apparently in Montreal, (1+ / 0-)
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    during the lockout, bar and restaurant revenue went down 40% compared to last year.

    These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people... -Abraham Lincoln

    by HugoDog on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 02:38:37 PM PST

  •  You may have heard these about the Leafs (0+ / 0-)

    Why won't the NHL give Hamilton a team? Because Toronto would want one too.

    The Leafs are still in first place tonight, undefeated and challenging for the Cup.

    Poor Toronto, the centre of the universe in its own mind
    (more so than NYC).

    "...stories of past courage can define that ingredient..... But they cannot supply courage itself. For this each man must look into his own soul." JFK Profiles in Courage " Ontario

    by ontario on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 08:31:07 PM PST

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