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You should be able to trade 10 of these for a job or a year of uc or something…

“Thank you for your interest in the xxx position with xxx, and for taking time from your busy schedule to interview. Interviews have been completed. We found your credentials to be truly impressive and sincerely enjoyed meeting with you. Although it was a difficult decision, the position has been offered to and accepted by another candidate. We truly appreciate your time and interest in xxx. Now FUCK OFF. And best of luck in your future career pursuits.”

I used to save them in a pile, but once they became commonplace, I stopped. And that was when I was working, but looking for a more secure position with benefits. I continue to get them, but I’m 2+ years out from steady work and they’re no longer novel. I’ve become familiar with rejection. I eat discouragement every day for breakfast. Then I push on into the new day.

It’s always worked out for me in my life somehow or other and I expect it will this time too. I’m a survivor. But if you didn’t have my strength and resourcefulness and toughness and optimism, I can see how this kind of shit could wear a person down. Hang in there and keep on pushing. You’ll surely fail if you give up.

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  •  it's sure going to be cool (21+ / 0-)

    to actually get the call and the offer, as opposed to the letter or the email

    when I see a republican on tv, I always think of Monty Python: "Shut your festering gob you tit! Your type makes me puke!"

    by bunsk on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 10:30:16 AM PST

    •  I remember back in the 70-80s you'd always (8+ / 0-)

      at least receive the form letter acknowledgement.  I'm newly unemployed now in my mid fifties and don't even see how you apply directly for positions. I used to always tailor resumes to the specific opening I was applying for, not a matter of lying or making stuff up, just emphasis on requirements of a particular job. Now, it seems, your supposed to come up with the magic, one pager with all the keywords for the scanners and post it all over the internet, hoping it sticks somewhere.

      Thanks for the encouraging words and I guess I'll just keep plugging away, or pushing if you prefer.

      Good luck to you.

      •  oddly enough (4+ / 0-)

        I've found the actual ability to do the job seems to be far down the list of considerations in some situations. It's far more important to say the right things or look right. I've seen great jobs go to people who appear to have no real ability other than to do nothing a lot and learn and perform a couple repetitive tasks...

        when I see a republican on tv, I always think of Monty Python: "Shut your festering gob you tit! Your type makes me puke!"

        by bunsk on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 11:02:37 AM PST

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      •  btw (3+ / 0-)
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        Crabby Abbey, freerad, hnichols

        the cover letter is a good place to tie your resume to their particular opening

        when I see a republican on tv, I always think of Monty Python: "Shut your festering gob you tit! Your type makes me puke!"

        by bunsk on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 11:20:52 AM PST

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    •  when I was apply for my last job (7+ / 0-)

      I would gets 2-5 of those a week. Heck, I still get them from places I applied to a year ago.

      A rejection letter I was fine with, whatever, I move on. It was getting no response that pissed me off.

    •  I feel your pain, bunsk. (2+ / 0-)
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      Crabby Abbey, hnichols

      I'm an academic, so I'm no stranger to rejection letters, though (thankfully) most of them are in my past.

      One artist put together a book that basically consisted of the complete run of rejection letters he had received from various galleries, offered without commentary.

      I'm always thankful that the letters were, at least, polite and ingratiating. An acquaintance who was going through film school showed us a script that he had sent along to a producer for a short film project; the script came back to him with the giant word "NO" in red ink, written across it and circled multiple times.

      Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of non-thought. -- Milan Kundera

      by Dale on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 11:14:16 AM PST

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  •  A Friend Posted His On An Employment Blog (10+ / 0-)

    ...after he ginned up a pizza boy work history to apply for a senior manager job and they told him he had "impressive credentials."

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 10:42:31 AM PST

  •  rejection letters (10+ / 0-)

    My husband was laid off in March (MBA and computer science degree from Northwestern). He is 60 so he is not exactly in demand. He has had a number of in office interviews and they never even send him a reject email. Waiting to hear from 2 places this week - both sound positive so we are hoping - he has volunteered a lot but isn't ready to retire. One question he gets is "would you be happy doing this" - don't people realize that at age 60, he is fine with a programming job, just wants a job for the next 6 years, no need to be a manager or executive at this point.

    •  you can't tell them that though (7+ / 0-)

      I believe if you told them "look, I just want to disappear into a cube and earn a check for a few more years, so cut me some slack and give me a job I can obviously do" they'd send you the letter for sure

      when I see a republican on tv, I always think of Monty Python: "Shut your festering gob you tit! Your type makes me puke!"

      by bunsk on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 10:57:04 AM PST

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      •  I hate to say it, but... (2+ / 0-)
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        hnichols, BlueMississippi

        ...I think there might be some advantage to being that honest.  I've been in management, and I've run into a lot of people in management who worry when they run into someone who is too smart or too ambitious.

        I genuinely feel that in some cases the "I just want to do this for a few years and get a paycheck, and I'm not a threat to you" might actually get you the job.  

        One risk in management is hiring someone who's going to make you look incompetent.   At one job I had, a manager hired a fantastic team of people.  He really did his homework and hired a crack team of people.  His team quickly distinguished itself as the best group in the company.  Problem is, after about a year, his bosses took note of how well his team performed on their own.  They were the ones coming up with the ideas.  They were the ones showing initiative.  And upper management really began to wonder why this department's manager was useful.  

        Eventually, he lost his job.  His team was folded into another department (one with whom they worked closely) with one of them being the lead person for their section.  

        I bet you that manager would now prefer someone who said "I just need a paycheck, and will just do the work and mind my own business" over some twenty-something whiz kids with dreams of changing the world.   ;)  


        •  No, upper management took note he was a threat (2+ / 0-)
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          hnichols, BlueMississippi

          He was doing what he was supposed to be doing - hiring and leading a team, getting results, keeping his people motivated.

          Eventually upper management saw he was a threat to them and dumped him. Whereupon I'm sure the team was less effective, and the company less successful.

          Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear. ~William E. Gladstone, 1866

          by absdoggy on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 11:28:28 AM PST

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        •  I could write another diary about that (4+ / 0-)

          It's hard for me to get my head around the idea of a manager (or co-workers for that matter)seeing someone as a threat for being too smart or ambitious, but I've seen it in practice. In fact, that's how I lost my last steady work. I was amazed at the incompetence of my boss and didn't realize its extent until it was too late. (I had visions of building our team into a force to be reckoned with - it must have scared the shit out of him) It came to appear to me that the people they actually hired on were mostly incompetent. The people that actually do things are the help. They bring you in when they’re frantic to get stuff done, then kick you to the curb. People who think and do scare the shit out of them, because such people expect things to be done logically and practically. The doers don’t understand that logic and practicality and reality aren't what matters in the corporate world, but that the perception is everything. And the percievers are incompetent, but they can sense when you're not on board.

          when I see a republican on tv, I always think of Monty Python: "Shut your festering gob you tit! Your type makes me puke!"

          by bunsk on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 11:38:10 AM PST

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          •  I think it's people who question... (4+ / 0-)
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            hnichols, bunsk, cynndara, BlueMississippi

            the existing order that get dumped. After making suggestions for improvement with a recent (disorganized, unlikeable) boss, she pushed back hard. I gradually got marginalized and was forced to leave. The funny thing is I could not have done her job, but she was threatened easily by anyone who challenged her. Now her team is full of people who could never rise up in the organization because they just don't have the skill set. That's what some managers want, unfortunately -- a bunch of dependent lackeys.

            The civil rights, gay rights and women's movements, designed to allow others to reach for power previously grasped only by white men, have made a real difference, and the outlines of 21st century America have emerged. -- Paul West of LA Times

            by LiberalLady on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 11:41:52 AM PST

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      •  Viva La Revolution! (1+ / 0-)
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        So often these people they hire right out of school just feel they are entitled to only do the things that interest them.  We found that with programmers there was always someone trying to incite a general insurrection against the scope of the contract. The last place i worked, middle management would not back up the project managers, so they lost all their contracts.

        There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

        by bernardpliers on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 01:37:28 PM PST

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  •  Nothing new… (3+ / 0-)

    On my ATC website (link in sig) I tell my story of rejection in the airline biz. I had completed an aviation program which got me a Commercial License and Instrument Rating and about 200 hours of flight time. When I started the program, the airlines were actually hiring people with those credentials. Eighteen months later, with docs in hand, I sallied forth:

    …by the time I graduated with my Associate of Science in Professional Aviation, in June, 1967. From July on I sent resumes to every airline I could find listed in the library, and over the course of about six months heard back from every one of them. There must have been an industry boilerplate letter that said something along the line of, “…unfortunately, your experience does not meet the threshold of applicants we are currently considering. Please be assured that we will keep your application on file…” should we ever be scraping the bottom of the barrel enough to hire someone like you, they might as well have added.
    45 years later, the boilerplate apparently hasn't changed much. Worked out okay for me, though—ATC wasn't a bad gig.
    •  I assume the source can be traced (3+ / 0-)
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      exatc, tardis10, hnichols

      to some ancient form found carved on a cave wall

      when I see a republican on tv, I always think of Monty Python: "Shut your festering gob you tit! Your type makes me puke!"

      by bunsk on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 11:04:38 AM PST

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    •  I wanted to be pilot... (2+ / 0-)
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      exatc, hnichols

      ...but my eyes went bad as a teen, and I'd never get to fly for the military, and that was probably the best route to flying commercial.  

      So I abandoned all hopes of flying commercially.  

      If I had it to do over again, I might have tried either to be ATC, or a dispatcher.  I know someone that is a dispatcher for a major carrier.  Airline dispatcher is probably one of the best paying jobs that nobody has ever heard of....  This guy probably makes close to $200,000.  And a dispatcher's license can be obtained in less than a year....

      •  wanted to be a pilot too (3+ / 0-)

        then i realized i was not the best with stress and was slightly afraid of heights.

        that it did for me.

        •  Crazy thing is, I'm deathly afraid of heights.... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...and "heights" as I define them might make you laugh...  

          I hate step ladders.  I can't stand them.  I hate platforms and scaffolds.  I had to quit a summer job I took in college because they wanted me on a scaffold all day, and climbing all over iron (some of which was 30' off the ground).  

          I hate tall buildings.  This is particularly bad for me, because most of my clients consider the cost of their real estate to be a virtue.  It's important to them be as high up as possible in a landmark building.  So much so that when a tenant in a floor higher than theirs is rumored to be moving, they rush to the rental office to inquire about moving their offices to that space.  Riding up in elevators to the 60th floor makes me sick.  Hell, anything above the third floor makes me queasy.  Feeling the building sway in the wind makes me want to retch.  And these conference rooms that are in these buildings:  they must be along the outer edge of the building facing out through the windows!   I always try to sit with my back to the windows whenever possible, as the idea of facing out them makes me ill and distracts me.  The worst ones are the corner conference rooms, cause you have 200+ degree field of view to contend with.    

          It's quite an impediment in my line of work, but it's one I've just had to suck it up and deal with....  

          But the really weird part:  I'm fine in planes!   Don't ask me why, but I have no problem at all in aircraft.  I've even gone up with an air show performer in a Pitts S2-B two seat stunt plane.  He flew upside down, loops, rolls, hammerhead stalls.   No problem.  

          But I cry like a little girl if I have to go up on the third rung of a stepladder.  

  •  You ain't alone (4+ / 0-)

    Here's one I got via email:

    Thanks so much for your enthusiasm and support for XX as you applied for our XX position. While we are happy to welcome you to our community of applicants, as it turns out, we did not find a fit for the requirements of the current opening. That said, we want to encourage you to stay in touch by subscribing to our career announcements at the link on the bottom of our careers page.

    We will be happy to hear from you going forward and will gladly review your resume again for future positions.

    Best Regards,

    In other words, "keep coming to our website so you can be reminded of your REJECTION, and also help us increase our web traffic. Ta Ta!"

    The civil rights, gay rights and women's movements, designed to allow others to reach for power previously grasped only by white men, have made a real difference, and the outlines of 21st century America have emerged. -- Paul West of LA Times

    by LiberalLady on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 11:36:09 AM PST

  •  I sent out dozens of resumes (5+ / 0-)

    and rarely received a rejection or any other sign that they even received it. I did get a few and they do all sound alike. They have to use as generic wording as possible so they don't get in trouble for rejecting you for the wrong reason (age, race, etc.).

    At 62 years old I was not exactly a hot prospect and even though I tried to cover it up as much as possible it wasn't hard to figure out that I had been around for a while which I'm pretty sure was the main reason for not getting a response.

    I kept sending resumes into the black hole until I finally landed a job. I just never gave up even though it took 18 months. I realize not everyone is as lucky as I was. I did have some special skills which helped but you have to keep trying no matter what your background.

    •  I went back to college in my late 30s.... (3+ / 0-)
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      bunsk, hnichols, BlueMississippi get a second (and third!) degree in whole new fields.  I got tired of my first one....  

      Anyway, when applying for a new job with a new degree with little experience in that field, I elected to kind of start out fresh.  I only posted my last seven years of work on my resume, as well as my new degrees....  

      I'm sure that most of the employers were expecting someone in their late 20s.  Someone who had worked for a few years, then gone to school in their mid 20s....  

      some of them were downright shocked when a 41 year old showed up with a pair of newly-minted degrees who had a wide variety of experience...

      I simply said "What attracted you to call me for an interview has not changed.  I still have two recent degrees with honors from a top-rated school, and I'm wanting to make this my career.  It's just a bonus for you that I have a lot of experience working in a variety of companies, and lots of wisdom about how to be a good employee.  So, I'm an entry level employee, but I know enough about how things work to be a very good one."  

      It kind of helped I think that I've always aged well.  I still got carded from time-to-time for buying alcohol well into my 30s.  Most of my classmates in college (the second time) could scarcely believe I was old enough to (legitimately) be their parent.  I get that from my mother:  she always looked 15 years younger than she was, without ever needing plastic surgery.      

  •  Thanks. (2+ / 0-)
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    bunsk, BlueMississippi

    I haven't gotten the letters yet, but I just confirmed yesterday that all three of the positions I interviewed for before Christmas had been filled by somebody else.  I know it's tough out there now, and I knew I was taking a risk deliberately quitting the job I had (but couldn't survive much more of) and moving home in the hopes that Virginia had a much better job market than Ohio and the recession was supposedly over.  I've got savings to fall back on.  But it's still a downer.  I was so excited when I got called in for those interviews.

  •  I think you need to (1+ / 0-)
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    psych up for interviews like you have a real shot at it and swing for the fences even if you figure you have no chance. Once the interview is over, though, I don't hold out hope for very long. It blows when they let you twist for a month before sending the letter. My interview was late November, got the email this week. It blows even more if they just never send anything. I followed up once, a week past the time they said I'd hear. The HR person sounded like I was bothering her and I got the email the next day.

    when I see a republican on tv, I always think of Monty Python: "Shut your festering gob you tit! Your type makes me puke!"

    by bunsk on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 04:01:25 PM PST

  •  You get rejections? (2+ / 0-)
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    bunsk, BlueMississippi

    I almost never get letters/emails in response to resumes.

    I almost never get them in resonse to F2F interviews either!

    In some cases the interviews last for HOURS! I meet with 6, or 8 people. Often they are multiple interviews where they call me back 2, or 3 times. Still, never a call, letter, or email. I now call them back after a week, or 2 and ask, "well, what's the story"? Often they seem shocked to hear from me and don't seem to know what to say. If I do hear from them it's some form letter response which barely acknowledges that they wasted huge amounts of my time for nothing. (yeah, my time has value too, and after 3+ years of being treated like a slab of useless meat, I'm a little bitter).

    FYI, I'm an engineer w/ 30 years experience in Sr. positions with noteable high tech Co.'s. But, now I'm just too old & too exensive for them!

    •  I've been thinking about changing my approach (0+ / 0-)

      Maybe start the interview with "Why are you wasting my time? Are you going to give me the job or just string me along? If you already know who you're hiring, tell me now so I can get on with my day. I'm sick of being jerked around by one place after another." If they want to talk after that, well fine then.

      when I see a republican on tv, I always think of Monty Python: "Shut your festering gob you tit! Your type makes me puke!"

      by bunsk on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 04:19:42 PM PST

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