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Governor of Virginia Bob McDonnell speaking at CPAC. 19 February 2010.
Gov. Bob McDonnell
Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell has ordered state agencies to cap the hours of part-time and hourly employees to 29 hours per week to avoid hitting the Affordable Care Act's 30-hour threshold that would require the state to provide health insurance coverage to those employees.

The requirement is causing confusion throughout state agencies, including at the state's community colleges, where they would have to figure out how to cap the hours for some 9,000 adjunct faculty, and at agencies that provide direct community service.

“We’re trying to get a really good grasp of who we have, what are the jobs they’re doing, if they’re working more than 30 hours, is it necessary, why?” Secretary of Administration Lisa Hicks-Thomas, said in an interview Friday.
Local governments face the same questions and challenges for their employees and workers in state-supported local positions, such as community services boards for people with behavioral health conditions.

“We are trying to come up with alternative plans in each situation and try to find a way to get the hours under the threshold or otherwise find ways to cover the work,” said Chesterfield County Administrator James J.L. Stegmaier.

The state estimates that providing health insurance to part-time employees could cost as much as $110 million a year. An AP report suggests that this might be an interim measure "until officials figure out how to comply with federal health insurance requirements regarding those who work more than 30 hours each week," but it's in the state's budget for this year. McDonnell is also still deciding whether or not to accept the Medicaid expansion offered under Obamacare, a decision that might be easier to make after facing backlash from state employees who will likely be denied insurance. Some of those employees could probably qualify for Medicaid under its more generous formula.

Some public colleges have made this shift with their employees, but so far Virginia seems to be the only state to adopt it. But it probably won't be the last.

There's ongoing discussion in eXtina's diary.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 11:42 AM PST.

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  •  Tip Jar (27+ / 0-)

    "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

    by Joan McCarter on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 11:42:13 AM PST

  •  Unexpectedly? n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    jabney
  •  These assholes need to be called out (1+ / 0-)
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    dagnome

    and mocked for this. Every time a winger's business hits the skids and he or she needs to cut staff, they will blame it on Obamacare. And this Governor is a special kind of heartless prick. Making a statement while endangering the lives of state employees and their families. Disgusting.

    •  Actually, I think the less said about this, the (0+ / 0-)

      better.

      If you recall, this was one of the major arguments AGAINST the ACA.  It was made quite vocally by the Republicans Party and many Conservadems (in my state, anyway).

      I've had my health insurance coverage "threatened" by Mr. Mollie's employer, who warned us that this year might be the last year that they offer health insurance, due to the ACA.  The "final word" has yet to come down.  Presumably, we'll know by the next health insurance "open enrollment" period.

      At any rate, there will be a lot of very angry folks from both parties, among those who lose their employer-based health insurance benefits.

      So, IMHO, the progressive community would be best served by intensively lobbying the White House and HHS to "fix this problem," instead of slinging insults at Republicans.  Doing that will only serve to remind folks which Party is responsible for this legislation, and therefore, the adverse outcome.  [IOW, I think that this tactic will backfire.]

      Which, in turn, could negatively affect the mid-term elections.

      Mollie

      "Only he who can see the invisible, can do the impossible." --Frank L. Gaines

      "If a dog won’t come to you after having looked you in the face, you should go home and examine your conscience.” -- Woodrow Wilson

      by musiccitymollie on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 01:03:23 PM PST

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      •  The More Said About it the Better (1+ / 0-)
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        MrJersey

        Recall the backlash against employers like Papa John's that were forced to return workers to full time status and provide health insurance. Most Americans are ignorant about how many workers do not get employee based health care. If they were shocked that waitresses don't get, just imagine what they are going to think about teaching adjuncts at public universities not getting health insurance?

        •  Until it is more and more and more businesses... (1+ / 0-)
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          musiccitymollie

          and then agencies and now the states.  

          We can only boycott and protest so much, before people will get mad at the law that they blame it all on.

          This was a mistake in the law, this should have been avoided.

          •  The question is two fold. (2+ / 0-)
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            musiccitymollie, semiot

            First, are they cutting the resposibilities of these workers along with their hours? THere will be a huge problem if they are, because what they are doing is cutting twenty five percent of the services that the state will be able to provide which will produce problems everywhere in the state, where the only answer is that the Governor and the State ordered it, under the guise of ducking Obamacare insurance responsibilities. And there will be a huge but different problem if the responsibilities remain the same and only 75 % of the hours theretofore required to do them are now available. See long waiting lines for everything from voter registration and generation of the new docs required for that,to the amount of homework teachers can grade after hours, to police shifts, since you gotta have trained cops and now they can only work 29 hours a day, which requires more cops to do the same jobs.

            Rs must love this on more than one account as it reduces the government footprint by a quarter, and they don't have to tell the "drown it in a bathtub to do it and can instead blame it on Obama story", until the scope is seen and the question becomes whether the new full time work week for which coverage is required is made officially 29 hours.

            Second, is there not a provision under which hours are counted for the number of full time employees or employee equivalents the business has or needs, so that you divide the total number of hours worked by 40 and that is the number you have to pay for if you aren't providing insurance. Cutting to 29 hours don't get it if you have to provide the same services which take the same number of hours, but you have adjusted the hours so that none is over 29 but there are more of them.

            •  I think the provision begins in 2014, hence the (1+ / 0-)
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              jump to cut now.  

              See, my understanding is if they cut prior to 2014, then the new "numbers" are what holds going into 2014.  If they wait until afterwards to cut, then they will have larger requirements per the January numbers they had going in.

              My husband's company is also considering it.  They are considering cutting any apprentices, part time workers, daily workers, and any other "non-essential help" down to under 30 or laying them off altogether.   They never received health benefits in the past, only the decreed full time employees did.

              They are also saying that the full time that remain, those with a degree, (this is who will get to stay...those who have a 2 year degree or more) can and will be asked to pull the weight of those leaving but will get time and a half for any overtime.  

              Apparently their books tell them that it will be cheaper to provide over time to those who are staying, or just eliminate certain jobs all together, rather than cover those who they never covered before.

              The decision has not been finalized.  We hope for our friends sake, it does not happen.

  •  Can we admit now 30 hour limit was a mistake? (4+ / 0-)
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    musiccitymollie, jabney, Sparhawk, soros

    And so was the 50 employees limit for business.  Lots of little firms have cut employees or refused to hire.  Maybe that will limit their growth, maybe not.  Maybe it just lets the CEO whip the workers harder while he pockets the cash.

    Lines in the sand like 30 hours or 50 employees are some of the dumbest things legislation of this type can do.  To say some workers are more equal than others, and to give the CEOs (and political leaders) an iron clad way out of all regulation.  It's a win-win for every evil boss, written into federal legislation.  They get to pay their workers less, and deny them healthcare.  And no one can tell them otherwise.

    Did people really think a 30 hour limit would work?  Companies were already limiting workers to 38 hours to keep them from being full time.  It was obvious to everyone that this would happen.  It was explained to people that this would happen, over and over again.

    If the nation wasn't ready for Single Payer, then we should have waited and kept pushing until we got there.  Now we have bad laws that are too easily twarted, that are profitable to bypass, and the working poor are in even worse shape than they were before.

    I don't blame cold calculating capitalism, that's how money works.  I blame the laws that say if you screw your workers over by X amount, then you can screw them over even more.  What the fuck did you all think was going to happen?

    •  Employers will always... (1+ / 0-)
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      nextstep

      ...do whatever they can to minimize costs.

      And before people complain too much about a state doing this, imagine what services you can provide to citizens with an extra $110 million in your pocket. Teachers, a couple of state infrastructure projects, food stamps, cut taxes on minimum wage workers, etc.

      It's that or this. Congress needs to not write poorly written laws to avoid these kind of outcomes.

      (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
      Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

      by Sparhawk on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 03:37:20 PM PST

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    •  we should have waited?!?! (0+ / 0-)

      50, 100 years wasn't enough?  60-40 majorities in the Senate don't come along too often -- that was the time to strike.

      Don't let "perfect" be the enemy of the "good."  Sure the bill has problems with it.  But they'll get ironed out in the long term.  Social Security was a pretty darned limited program in the 1930's, but it expanded to help hundreds of millions.

      So, too, with Obamacare.

      In the meantime, however, the elimination of "pre-existing conditions" and subsidies to the poor, mean that 30+ million more Americans will be able to get insurance than without the law.

    •  The mistake was not going with single payer. (1+ / 0-)
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      The whole "force people to buy insurance from private businessmen" might be better than nothing, but we could have done a lot better.

  •  Employers hire and schedule workers for hours (0+ / 0-)

    ....sufficient to do the work and no more. If you have two people working 20 hours each or 1 person working 40 hours then ACA considers either as 1 FTE (one full time equivalent) toward the 50 FTE (not employees but FTEs). Either employers actually have more people than they need or have people working longer shifts than necessary based on the work and can actually afford the cuts or their efforts to game the ACA requirements will fail. If the demand drives the FTE's, as it should, then the FTE count will be the same for ACA no matter how the actual head count is sliced and diced.

    •  That applies for purposes of determining (3+ / 0-)
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      whether an employer is a large employer required to provide affordable, minimum coverage.  The penalty only applies if the large employer does not provide affordable minimum coverage to all full-time employees.

      For example, an employer with 60 full-time employees is a large employer.  Because it's a large employer, it must provide provide affordable, minimum coverage to all 60 full-time employees (actually, 55 of them, since the regulation relaxes the rule somewhat).

      On the other hand, an employer with 120 half-time employees is a large employer because that is 60 full-time employee equivalents.  However, since it doesn't have any full-time employees, there is no penalty for not providing coverage.

      "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

      by Old Left Good Left on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 06:48:22 PM PST

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  •  Sooooooo instead of providing them with healthcare (0+ / 0-)

    they are forcing their workers into the Medicaid pool.

    Well, that makes sense.

    Do they understand that state workers get to vote? So do their families?

    "Life is too important to be taken seriously" Oscar Wilde

    by Annie B on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 12:59:25 PM PST

    •  it depends on their income... (1+ / 0-)
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      jabney

      It not too hard to make too much even in a part time job to qualify for Medicaid:

      Many states have expanded coverage, particularly for children, above the federal minimums. For many eligibility groups, income is calculated in relation to a percentage of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL). For example, 100% of the FPL for a family of four is $22,350 in 2011. The Federal Poverty Level is updated annually. For other groups, income standards are based on income or other non-financial criteria standards for other programs, such as the Supplemental Security Income (SSI) program...

      Affordable Care Act of 2010 Expands Medicaid Eligibility in 2014

      The Affordable Care Act of 2010, signed by President Obama on March 23, 2010, creates a national Medicaid minimum eligibility level of 133% of the federal poverty level ($29,700 for a family of four in 2011) for nearly all Americans under age 65. This Medicaid eligibility expansion goes into effect on January 1, 2014 but states can choose to expand coverage with Federal support anytime before this date-see related Federal Policy Guidance and states that have expanded Medicaid prior to 2014. See Eligibility Provisions in the Affordable Care Act.

  •  Can't be surprised (0+ / 0-)

    People were told they would cut back hours to get below the minimum but everyone ignored it.  Can't cry now. Should have set no minimum.

    All are covered or the business is fined out of existence. That would have been the correct plan.

  •  Disgusting. (nt) (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Moan...McDonnell is even more of a dirtbag than (4+ / 0-)

    I'd previously thought--and what I thought of him before this would not go through the U.S. mail.

    There is NO redeeming social value to Republicans!  There is NOTHING good about them--not one thing!

    If they'd just all quietly expire, no one would miss them.

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 06:32:59 PM PST

  •  Race to the bottom! (1+ / 0-)
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    Massconfusion

    "All Aboard!"

    "We must hang together,...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately."

    by GreatDane on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 06:43:30 PM PST

  •  It's not about cost. (7+ / 0-)

    It's about hurting workers, pure and simple.  While that's not overt in this particular story, it's right out in the open in the other 48 stories about Republican bosses - Wendy's and Denny's and whoever that private eye from Utah was.

    They want to make it seem Obamacare is hurting workers.  But it's more like the classic logic of the abuser: I wish you didn't make me beat you.  The only good answer is to organize.

    Early to rise and early to bed Makes a man healthy, wealthy, and dead. --Not Benjamin Franklin

    by Boundegar on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 06:44:08 PM PST

  •  VA: Keeping up with Papa John's is tough! (5+ / 0-)

    Not to mention the rest of the competition like Applebee's, Denny's, the Olive Garden...

    ...oh wait.

    Darn.

    I think they forgot they were a State not a shitty restaurant chain.

    Click the ♥ to join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news & views written from a black pov - everyone is welcome.

    by mahakali overdrive on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 06:44:14 PM PST

    •  Also, I will eagerly await the college mayhem (3+ / 0-)
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      unclebucky, MrJersey, Eric Nelson

      that ensues when they realize that if they do this to adjunct faculty, they will have to pay regular faculty to teach those classes... at an absolutely enormous markup.

      That's going to be, um, interesting.

      I'm laughing at the perversity of that situation. And I'm not sure it's good laughter.

      Welcome to having to go back to paying tenured faculty (and their ensuing rates) for State Public Higher Ed. That won't screw up Virginia's budget or anything.

      Gift of the Magi.

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      by mahakali overdrive on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 06:48:24 PM PST

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  •  In a Few Years the Baby Tantrums Will Be Over (6+ / 0-)

    Republicans will have cried themselves to sleep and we'll be able to get on with real healthcare reform. By that time, our pocket books will be exhausted (if they aren't already), and the American public will be ready for publicly-funded healthcare.

    Consider this, painful though it is, just a growth spurt.

  •  Gov. Bob McDonnell (0+ / 0-)

    I'm glad he's making a name for himself. I will take a more active interest in his political opponents.

    •  Why would the Governor want to deny those (0+ / 0-)

      female part-time employees the health care necessary for them to have forced trans-vaginal probes that he was all excited about.

      And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

      by MrJersey on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 07:12:43 PM PST

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      •  If he knew something more expensive and offensive (0+ / 0-)

        than TVPs, he would have ordered that. What he is not ready for is the consequences of the alternatives to legal and supported pregnancy care hitting his emergency rooms and his morgues. After all, not everybody in his state can afford to go to DC or Md., and a lot of the minorities he hates got relatives in other places who they can get to.  

  •  THE DUMBEST ELECTORATE (4+ / 0-)

    The only democracy where screwing your own people can be the winning strategy for one political party!
    Truly we have cornered the market in Dumb and Dumber!

    The only reason people want to be masters of the future is to change the past - Milan Kundera

    by Suvro on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 06:44:39 PM PST

    •  And where almost half the population screams to (1+ / 0-)
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      BE screwed and where the other half who doesn't care to be screwed has a party that aids and abets the party of screwers thusly:

      "We have to screw you, because that's what the moronic, mean, stupid, cruel people want and screwing you now is preferable to screwing you later which is what will happen if we don't screw you now according to the moronic, mean, stupid and cruel people . . . or something like that."

      “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

      by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 03:00:07 AM PST

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  •  Not a surpise at all (0+ / 0-)

    but we should remind ourselves of the terrible,tactical mistake the dems made when they 'embraced' the term 'Obamacare'. An amazing act of stupidity that now makes a basic human need and right a partisan matter.
    A careful inventory of the consultants and their facilitators ought to be taken.
    When will people learn?

    "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never has and it never will."-Frederick Douglass

    by powerplay40 on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 06:45:30 PM PST

  •  Of course single payer solves the issue (3+ / 0-)

    But it is what it is. Can all Virginia government employees walk off the job and shut that ashole down?

  •  Why not re-institute slavery too? n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    "Where are we to turn? We can only turn to ourselves." ~ Edward M. Kennedy

    by chapel hill guy on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 06:50:11 PM PST

    •  In the basement of every corporate person... (0+ / 0-)

      there's a little room with no windows. In it there's a guy at a desk, with a chalkboard, a typewriter and an adding machine.

      In that room is the project to get people to work for NOTHING.

      The guy almost has it figured out. But he always runs into the problem that eventually those workers starve, die and they have to replace them again.

      The guy thinks he can do it with robots. But he always runs into the problem that there are fewer people to buy the goods and services of robots. They aren't paid so they can't afford nothing.

      And on and on... I think every corporation is a pyramid scheme for all intents and porpoises... ;o)

      Ugh. --UB.

      "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of East Somalia!"

      by unclebucky on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 07:06:45 PM PST

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      •  The logic of the 1% (1+ / 0-)
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        We will take all the money and own everything worth having. We will allow the 99% starvation wages and no benefits.

        We will call it "Austerity" and convince the stupid 99% that this is actually a good plan for them. We will tell them that if they will accept starvation wages and no benefits then their grandkids won't have a world with starvation wages and no benefits. And they'll believe it! Bwahahahahahahahahah!!!!

        And I am sorry to say that their plan appears to be working.

        “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

        by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 03:15:02 AM PST

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  •  What it will do is push all (0+ / 0-)

    these employees into the state health insurance exchanges. If they are part time employees, more than likely they will qualify for subsidies.

    Sucks that they'll be earning less wages due to reduced hours though.

    What all these dumb Republican's don't get; the harder they try to make ACA fail, the closer we'll be to a Single Payer plan for all citizens or at least a Public Option.

    FORWARD! Obama/Biden 2012

    by Esjaydee on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 06:52:16 PM PST

  •  South Carolina right on their heels (1+ / 0-)
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    As an instructor at a technical college in SC, I've heard the very same rumblings between department heads as they plan out the next year's assignments and course offerings. If they cut back all of our already overworked and excellent adjuncts down to 29 "contact hours" to avoid the healthcare requirement, we will have to severely contract the size of our student body.

    Meaning fewer options for low-cost job retraining and academic credits for non-traditional students.

  •  The FT-PT thing is a nightmare (9+ / 0-)

    and is going to be the lawyers-full-employment-act part of the ACA.

    For adjunct faculty (of which I'm one), do you only count the hours they're actually in class with students? Or the hours they spend doing class-related work like prep and grading? Or the number of courses they teach relative to what full-time tenure-track professors teach at the same institution? What about the four months a year when we don't teach at all -- will our hours get averaged? Basically when you are not paid hourly but by the course, and it varies each semester, the "30 hours = full time" really doesn't provide a meaningful guideline.

    OTH, if agencies cut everyone back to 30 hours, then they are likely to have to hire more people to get the work done and the coverage -- so this may be a good jobs-creation measure.

    How I wish that the ACA had bypassed an employer mandate, which is causing most of the opposition to it and will be a nightmare to administer fairly. We need to separate health insurance from employment. Completely. Period. Full Stop.

    •  And then there's the problem of keeping necessary (2+ / 0-)
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      adjunct faculty at all. Most schools can't get along without them, and the outflow of resumes to places where they get paid for all the work they do will probably be substantial, which in turn affects the academic position of the state schools.

  •  I get... (2+ / 0-)
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    ..Republicans are gelid assholes, but damning somebody to poor health as a method to make a political point is top tier scumbaggery.

    I'm worse at what I do best/ And for this gift I feel blessed. - Kurt Cobain

    by wyvern on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 06:59:42 PM PST

    •  People are pawns (3+ / 0-)
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      MrJersey, miracle11, rhauenstein

      I have seen people treat others like pawns in the workplace many times, causing stress and hardship for innocent bystanders.  They are always Republicans.

      The sociopath mind is difficult for the rest of us to understand.
       

      Republican tax policies have led to financial conditions which have caused Republicans to demand cuts to programs they have always opposed.

      by AppleP on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 07:07:42 PM PST

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  •  Well, this could be a ‘job’ creator, (0+ / 0-)

    if employers cuts their employees’ hours down to 29. More people will be needed to do those additional hours of work. More ‘jobs’, but they will be part-time less-than-30-hour Mc-jobs. Well, technically it’s ‘job creation’ (ugh). Ain’t it (and stuff)?

  •  I have a job-creatin' friend... (1+ / 0-)
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    who owns a small business, he can't see why it's his problem to provide health coverage for his employees.  Most of whom aren't making a whole lot more than minimum wage.  I don't get it, everybody needs healthcare sometimes, if your employer doesn't provide insurance, pay you enough to buy your own, and is ideologically opposed to a government solution, WTF do they want?  For their employees to just get sick and die?

    yeah, I should ask him that, but he's a pretty decent guy for the most part and I got few enough friends as it is.  I'm sure the health insurance racket is a huge PIA for small businesses, you'd think they'd be begging for single-payer. but god forbid the undeserving poors get anything, food stamps are bad enough.

    I don't know what's been trickling down, but it hasn't been pleasant---N. Pelosi

    by Russycle on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 07:38:26 PM PST

    •  Healthcare SHOULD NOT be the employer's (2+ / 0-)
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      DSPS owl, Whatithink

      responsibility - your friend is right.

      The healthcare reform started off with the assumption that we needed to retain our "uniquely American" (read "uniquely stupid") format of tying healthcare to employment, which is a concept that is simply, completely, totally, fundamentally wrong.

      It makes as much sense as President Kennedy entering the space race but telling all the scientists that they had to adhere to the Ptolemaic system of the universe.

      Stop the madness. Stop trying to fix the unfixable. Stop wasting our time, our energy and our resources -Single Payer now!  

      “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

      by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 03:28:49 AM PST

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  •  ' nother TP attempt to sabotage ACA (0+ / 0-)

    Wonder how long before he will figure the reason the people are part time was because the state could not afford full time people (after all it is hard to find professionals and tradesmen to work part time unless the economy sucks).
    Not having full time employees means some public services had to suffer.  Now he is cutting part time workers' hours; does he figure this will make them work faster to do more in fewer hours for the same money?  Instead he will find that work will be left undone or done halfway or poorly.  I am interested to see how he handles teachers' hours (does Johnny get a C because the teacher ran out of time and had to clock out and so could not finish reading his A+ essay?)  I can see some delicious blowback and irony in the making  

  •  I foresee the result ... (0+ / 0-)

    Hundreds of part-time state employees will hide in bathrooms or under their desks for an hour Friday evening (or whenever their weeks ends) to enable them to arrive at the time clock at the 30-hour mark. SINGLE SPACE In that situation, I might have tried it.

    The wisdom of my forebears ... Two wise people will never agree. Man begins in dust and ends in dust — meanwhile it's good to drink some vodka. A man studies until he's seventy and dies a fool.

    by Not A Bot on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 07:49:28 PM PST

  •  This kind of shit is why we need single payer! (1+ / 0-)
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    RadGal70

    God forbid working people have health insurance.

    Sometimes i would like to just beat the snot out of these arrogant asses.

    WTF!?!?!?! When did I move to the Republic of Gilead?!

    by IARXPHD on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 08:24:08 PM PST

    •  And how, pray tell, are they going to run for (0+ / 0-)

      office as job creators when they have eliminated full time jobs, because all the no longer full time employees land in the underemployed sector of the labor statistics, and those are going to rise in a bad way hugely because any govt employee who loses a job out of this will be in their unemployment stats. Maybe Rs think they look good to their contributors in states where unemployment is high, because all those under and un employed folk will be desperate enough to work for minimum wage, until they move out of state, and the tax revenues also take a hit.

  •  Dick move (0+ / 0-)

    These Republican governors are just awful. Guess it runs in the family Party.

  •  It's happening in the private sector too (0+ / 0-)

    My employer has cut all "flex time" employees to 29 hours a week. Some of them were working 40 hours and more. It's horrible what they're doing to people. Morale among the unaffected full-timers has sunk. We don't want to see our co-workers to suffer. Time to demand single payer. The insurance companies, Republican governors and corporations are colluding to hurt workers.

    “Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way.” ― Martin Luther King Jr.

    by minglewood on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 03:36:13 AM PST

  •  This is good news. (0+ / 0-)

    Yes, it is.
    People need to learn there are real life consequences for not taking the time to learn for themselves before they vote, or decide NOT to vote.  
    You can't blame Gov. McDonnell. He has not changed into a different person after he was elected.  He is exactly the person that the people of Virginia elected.

    The people of Virginia have failed.  Not Bob McDonnell.

    Voting could have brought in someone that would have benefited the people who work and live in Virginia.

    Virginia needs to suffer.  They need to get upset.  They need to turn off the Fox News, the Glenn Beck, the Rush Limbaugh, and learn for themselves who would govern better next time.

    So, to all the people that are getting screwed in Virginia that voted for this guy, You deserve it.  

    And that's the way it is.

    " With religion you can't get just a little pregnant"

    by EarTo44 on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 04:00:40 AM PST

  •  So will these (0+ / 0-)

    workers then be on expanded Medicaid?

  •  evil jerk (0+ / 0-)

    Many slave owners thought it wise to try to keep their property healthy.  McDonnell would probably not be one of them.  

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