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Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker has a habit of telling the truth about his "divide and conquer" governing style, but only when he is talking to one of his billionaire donors (or someone he thinks is a billionaire donor.)

Two years ago, Ian Murphy from the Buffalo Beast called Scott Walker posing as billionaire David Koch shortly after Walker introduced a bill to strip unionized public workers of their collective bargaining rights. Walker, believing he was talking to the actual Koch, detailed how he had schemed to "drop the bomb" on public employees.

Walker is at it again. This time, though, it's the private sector unions, the ones he said two years ago he was not interested in dismantling.

Back in full control with Republicans taking both houses of the Wisconsin legislature after they gerrymandered state districts in time for the November, 2012 elections, Walker and his colleagues are attempting to fast track a bill that would begin the process of shrinking private sector unions.

Democratic state legislators issued a press release today describing the latest round of Walker’s attacks on labor:

Republican Bill Targets Private Sector Unions

Farrow-Brooks bill undermines right to negotiate, legislators say

Madison—A bill being rushed through the Republican-controlled State Legislature is an attack on private sector union bargaining rights, three legislators charged today.
The proposal, sponsored by State Senator Paul Farrow (R-Pewaukee) and Representative Ed Brooks (R-Reedsburg), would allow employers to reduce the hours of their union-represented employees without the union’s approval. Democratic legislators charged that the measure is the first blow in an effort to scale back private sector employee bargaining rights.

“Republicans began their war on bargaining rights with Act 10, and with this bill they have now turned their attention to private sector unions,” Senate Minority Leader Chris Larson (D-Milwaukee) said. “This bill is a clear opening shot at undermining private sector unions.”

“This is the beginning of ‘divide and conquer’ part two,” said State Senator Julie Lassa (D-Stevens Point). “The Farrow-Brooks bill says that private sector unions shouldn’t be able to negotiate for their members. It’s one more step toward their goal of ending the right of Wisconsin citizens to have their voice heard in the workplace.”

“Sen. Lassa and I have authored legislation that accomplish the essence of AB 15 and SB 26, without increasing the risk of lawsuits or undermining the ability of unions to represent the rights of their members,” said Assistant Assembly Democratic Leader Sandy Pasch (D – Shorewood). “I urge the Republican authors of this flawed legislation to slow down and work with us in a bipartisan manner to ensure that we avoid completely unnecessary conflict and delay in implementing a work-share program.”

Senate Bill 26 and its companion, Assembly Bill 15 were introduced on Friday and were scheduled for public hearings today. Hearing notices indicate that committee votes could come as soon as Thursday. “They’re rushing this bill through to keep it below the radar before members of private sector unions and the public have a chance to react,” Sen. Lassa said.
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Originally posted to Giles Goat Boy on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 02:53 PM PST.

Also republished by Badger State Progressive, Democracy Addicts, In Support of Labor and Unions, and Madison Kossacks.

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    by Giles Goat Boy on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 02:53:48 PM PST

  •  Awww, just when Walker had me convinced (92+ / 0-)

    he was going to be a "pretend moderate" for the next 2 years so he could fool the voters again.  Maybe they just said WFT - we own the government, have gerrymandered districts so heavily in our favor that we have huge majorities despite a large majority of votes for Democrats, so we'll just do whatever we want.

    These guys are frigging shameless.

    Well, there are plenty of busses available for hire and plenty of us that are willing to put on our long underwear and march around the Capitol again.

    Republished to Badger State Progressive.

    There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

    by Puddytat on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 03:06:35 PM PST

  •  Voter suppression? (44+ / 0-)

    Sounds like he may have bigger fish to fry than just squelching unions.

    Nationally, union membership saw one of its sharpest declines in years in 2012, dropping from 11.8% of the workforce in 2011 to 11.3% last year, according to data released last month by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

    But the really eye-popping numbers could be found in Wisconsin, where membership in public-sector unions plummeted in the aftermath of Act 10

    But that share fell dramatically from 50% in 2011 to 37% in 2012, according to an analysis of the Current Population Survey by unionstats.com, a web site run by two economists who monitor union trends:

    That kind of free fall in public-sector union membership had never happened in the US in the previous 30 years of data collected by the two professors, Barry Hirsch of Georgia State and David Macpherson of Trinity

    “It pretty dramatically demonstrates the real purpose of Act 10 was not a budget matter but a direct attempt to undermine the influence of working people and unions,” said Bruce Colburn, vice president of SEIU Health Care Wisconsin. “Certainly having less and less members (for unions) to talk to hurts in terms of the ability to elect supporters of working people.”

    Colburn said unions’ diminished spending power in campaigns means “any kind of (partisan) balance that existed between people like the Koch brothers and the Bradley Foundation (and labor) obviously gets hurt too.”

    http://www.jsonline.com/...

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    by Catte Nappe on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 03:16:09 PM PST

  •  Unless I missed something (30+ / 0-)

    Walker was elected, and reconfirmed in a recall.

    This is what Wisconsin voted for.  They said they didn't want National help.  The national party assumed this was isolated and decided not to participate, all the up to the President.

    You reap what you sow.  Wish it wasn't that way, but this can all be changed if Democrats decide it is worth running their state in addition to voting for the President.

    Sorry to be so blunt. I empathize, but this one is really what Wisconsin citizens voted for.

    "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

    by justmy2 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 03:20:00 PM PST

    •  Well If They Gerrymandered WI As Much As They (30+ / 0-)

      did Ohio, Wisconsin might well not have voted for it.

      We for example voted for about a 1:1 US House delegation but we sent a 3:1 Republican delegation. I'm pretty sure our state legislature is also significantly more Republican than we voted.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 03:28:47 PM PST

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      •  They didn't spend that on 2012? (5+ / 0-)

        And they spent it in 2010?    They spent it in a lot of places.   But does their money mean people should bit against their interests.  The people are still voting, not the Koch brothers.

        "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

        by justmy2 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 04:42:09 PM PST

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        •  The campaigning for Walker and Republicans (9+ / 0-)

          never stopped, never slowed down. We were inundated for more than two years. And those ads manipulated voter fears very, very well. The misinformation campaign in Wisconsin has been very expensive and quite effective.

          •  Was there not a counter strategy? (1+ / 0-)
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            Was it not clear that there was a nationwide collective bargaining attack?  Yes, what you said is true.   But that doesn't excuse people who decided after seeing Walkers actions that he was acceptable.  Why would people then expect him to change behavior?

            This is the will of the voters.  They had two chances.  Want to fix it.  Elect a democrat and force the to promise to repeal this nonsense.

            Here is the dirty little secret.  Union demonization has been a broad success.  And way to many Democrats by into it, to their own detriment.   When national dems and state dems decide to focus it on a man, instead of promoting unions, this is the result.

            "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

            by justmy2 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 04:34:18 AM PST

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            •  The party fucked up, big time (0+ / 0-)

              And the grassroots fucked up in taking the electoral route.  They lost, for as hard as they tried, and they tried very hard.  But this wasn't a matter of a fair fight in any sense of the imagination.  The Wisconsin democratic party should be purged of the idiots who failed to do any of the things you mention.

              Here is the dirty little secret.  Union demonization has been a broad success.  And way to many Democrats by into it, to their own detriment.   When national dems and state dems decide to focus it on a man, instead of promoting unions, this is the result.
              On the flip side, unions are so worried about public opinion that they refuse to take effective action.  As long as they refuse to use the only real power they have they'll keep losing.
      •  Re (3+ / 0-)
        The MEGAMILLIONS that the Koch brothers and their shadowy allies dropped on our state in 2010 and the recall election.
        Good point. That's why we are dealing with President Romney right now.

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        by Sparhawk on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 04:51:15 PM PST

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    •  You have no clue about what happened in Wisconsin (65+ / 0-)

      If you did you would understand the massive amounts of money the right wing poured in. You would understand how the recall was turned from Walker and the GOP' misdeeds to a referendum on the recall process itself - complete with ads that completely undermined why we have a recall provision in the state constitution.

      I am really tired of Wisconsin basher's coming into every diary about my home state and saying that this is what we voted for. There are a hell of a lot of us who did not vote for this and a bunch more who were misled by some pretty slick anti-recall ads. Walker did not even run against Barrett. He ran against the recall.

      Of course you wouldn't know that because you did not get to see it happen. You also evidently did not hear our calls from help at the national level. We begged the Democratic party for help. When it finally came it was already too late.

      But, you folks who weren't here and don't live here seem to know better than us backwoods idiots from Wisconsin who put up with this shit on a daily basis.

      Next time you decide to bash a Wisconsin diary...talk to one of us first. We will be more than happy to provide you with facts.

      "Republicans only care about the rich" - My late Father (-8.25, -7.85)

      by Mark E Andersen on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 03:34:38 PM PST

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      •  Mark - do I recall correctly that Walker (2+ / 0-)
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        cannot be subject to another recall during his first term?

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 04:30:49 PM PST

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      •  I understand your concern. (3+ / 0-)

        But I seem to recall people who "know" your state, making excuse after excuse for why the national party shouldn't dump money in.  I remember people making excuse after excuse as to why pOTuS should go back on his pledge of getting his marching shoes.  I don't recall people putting up a stink when actions were being taken that  didn't have a laser focus on midterms in a census year.  

        So while it may make you feel better, I still don't think anyone is absolved.  I can understand this rhetoric from someone in Mississippi or Wyoming. But you guys somehow get folks out for Obama, but go for Walker.

        I don't really see anything out of that.  Money could have been available to contest.  The decision was made to go it alone.  Wish it was different, but it isn't like every chance wasn't given to elect someone that had labor front and center.   Then, when they break their promises, we are surprised.

        Sorry.  Unless they stole votes, I am not sure there is anything to do except expose them.  That isn't to denigrate the hard work people put in...but clearly something isn't going right.  

        How can it be fixed.   It's introspection a time.

        "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

        by justmy2 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 05:07:12 PM PST

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        •  Will you make up your mind? (4+ / 0-)
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          You blamed Wisconsin for it but now you admit that it was the fact that the national Dems didn't pour in the support that the national Repubs did.  Make up your mind - are you blaming Wisconsin or the national Dems who refused to help when Wisconsin Dems asked for the help?

          •  It is the national Dems who are responsible for (9+ / 0-)

            the 2010 debacle in Wis. and every other state where the repugs captured swing state legislatures and governorships. Obama made terrible picks for his administration and the Wall St ass kissing Union busting Rahm Emanuel was the worst. These conservadems killed off Obama's buzz by partying like it was 1994. And they got the same results. They put Dean out to pasture after he won 3 election cycles and all of Rahm's blu dogs got their mangy asses  kicked by real repugs.

            I don't begrudge one penny I sent to Wisconsin. You Badgers are fighting back as hard as you can against a well funded billionaire invasion. Just like grass root Dems are in Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Iowa, and Pennsylvania. We are all trying to clean up the mess the conservadems Kane and Rahm made of a midterm in a census year.

            Obama would not have carried Wisconsin or any of these other states if the voters were happy with the repugs. These same voters stayed home in 2010 because Obama and his team mismanaged the victory we gave them.

            If all that can be done is to keep repugs out of governorships  and other statewide offices for the next ten years in these states that's what we need to do.

            You done good Badgers!

            •  Recall wasn't in 2010 (0+ / 0-)

              And wis unions and party rejected national support.  Or at a minimum, played ball.

              It was an important beachhead.  And the Dem party at the local and national level failed miserably, in my opinion because they still bought the conservative lines about unions, used weasel words and ran from a nationalized battle.

              "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

              by justmy2 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 04:26:49 AM PST

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              •  No they didn't. (3+ / 0-)
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                Please talk about the real world and stop lying.

              •  The midterm was in 2010 & that's the debacle (1+ / 0-)
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                that caused Walker's election and the recall.

                Rahm & Tim Kane were the architects of the midwest swing state slaughter. Rahm as CoS, and Obama's other miserable staffing picks killed Obama's buzz and, like Clinton's 94 midterm, disappointed Dem leaning voters stayed home in droves.

                Wisconsin and the other states conservadem blundering threw away in 2010 all elected Obama & Dem senators 2012. They couldn't crack the gerrymanders and elect Dem congress critters or state legislations. But if you look at the numbers Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, & Pennsylvanian voters really tried too.

                The fight the Badgers & Buckeyes put up needs to be respected and copied, even it the Badgers came up short. They are rolling rocks up a very steep hill & should be supported and praised, not blamed for a circumstance not of their own making.

          •  I am blaming both (0+ / 0-)

            Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

            Both accepted the local only strategy with minimal offline OFA support with Republicans pouring money into the state.

            Poor politics.  And it was easy too see in real time and I said so.   My main interest was not just Wis, it was the principal.  

            There is no inconsistency in my statements. None at all.

            "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

            by justmy2 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 04:24:43 AM PST

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            •  False. (3+ / 0-)
              Both accepted the local only strategy with minimal offline OFA support with Republicans pouring money into the state.
              Yeah that would have been a bad idea.  Which is why it's a good thing that only happened in your fantasy world and not in reality.  

              The failure was down to two basic things: 1 - far less money for Dems to put rebuttal ads on the air, which has more to do with who the corporate backers are for republicans than for your false calims about the amount of effort put in by democrats, and 2 - if there was a tactical error it was when dems decided not to go negative in the ads.  The few Dem ads that did get on the air were far too often geared to say "here's why Tom Berrett is good" instead of "here's why Scott Walker is bad".  That might be proper advice in a normal election, but NOT in a recall, where saying your candidate is better is not sufficient - you must show why the incumbent isn't just the worse choice of the two but is in fact so utterly bad that it warrants the drastic measure of kicking him out prematurely.

              Oh, and yes there's plenty of inconsistency in your statements.

              •  You can make all the assertions that you one (0+ / 0-)

                and like I said, I know it hurts.  But the record is there.  National Dems wanted no part of it.  And Wisconsin Dems only started asking for help when things started looking grim.

                The time to ask wasn't at the end.  It was at the beginning.  And this was just another example of poor strategy in fear of who knows what at the time.
                Yes, when things started looking bad, the recriminations began.  We need DNC help.  I agreed.  But the difference was I said it from day one, when the protests started.   The in April/May, when polling was working, the calls for help came in.

                It is all out there.  I was here, railing against national dems and people saying they wanted them out, during the actual session when they left the state, during the petition drive, and the recall.  Actually, lost a "dkos" friend because I so aggressive about why this needed to be nationalized. So now to hear people tell me that I am wrong for basically stating the same thing I said then and telling me it didn't happen, just seems odd.

                "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

                by justmy2 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 07:21:10 AM PST

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                •  Liar. (0+ / 0-)

                  Covering up your earlier lies by telling more of them doesn't help your case.  And lay off the "I know it hurts" condescending bullshit.  The requests for national help started right away despite your willingness to lie about this fact.

        •  You seem to recall? You mean you dream.. (3+ / 0-)

          ...about things that never happened.
          How many times do people have to prove to you that you are wrong?
          When will it sink in?
          The Wisconsin Dems were shouting for money form the national Dems. It was in the papers, on the radio and here in KOS.
          On top of that people have answered your post and proven you wrong.
          Hey - can you hear that? It's the real world.
          Yeah the real world has been knocking at your door.
          Are you going to open up and let the real world in?
          Or are you going to continue to 'seem to recall' your fantasy world?
          Knock.
          Knock.
          Knock.

          •  You could not be more wrong. (0+ / 0-)

            I hope you realize I have an archive full of comments and links of people telling me why it was a bad idea for national help to come in.   Your story may be your personal experience, but it is not representative of the messaging and position at the time.

            Don't rewrite history.   For you to say people were screaming, I am yet to see anyone provide any evidence.  Yes, at the last minute, activists wanted DWS to get on board.  But that was after months of saying we got this and a WH/national apparatus running scared from a multi state fight...saying it was a state issue.

            "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

            by justmy2 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 04:30:14 AM PST

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            •  You are fantasizing (1+ / 0-)
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              I hope you realize I have an archive full of comments and links of people telling me why it was a bad idea for national help to come in.
              Ahhhh, well, THAT makes all the difference.
              Those magic hidden articles you have yet to produce.
              And the one article you did produce was actually about union organizing and not about the Democrats in Wisconsin.
              But that's OK - you've got a whole slew of magic misunderstood articles.
              Whoa Daddy!
      •  Btw-please don't make me pull up my specific (1+ / 0-)
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        Comments on why national action was critical only to be railed against by Wisconsinites making your same "you don't know us arguments" but against the action.

        If you did make those calls, they were not i. The majority, and clearly were the state party's position.

        I know it hurts, but things didn't go well.  Ohio had the same money thrown at it.   Same general issue.  Maybe looking there would be a good start.

        "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

        by justmy2 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 05:11:19 PM PST

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      •  For the record (1+ / 0-)
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        President Obama's political machine, Organizing for America, helped coordinate some of the protests. But this week one official there stressed that "this is all being driven by the folks on the ground."

        The new approach from national leaders seems to be: Help where you can, but don't toot your horn about it. And that's fine with the unions.

        "We're not asking him to organize us; we can organize ourselves," said Gerry Hudson, executive vice president for the Service Employees International Union, during a Wednesday protest outside Wisconsin's offices in Washington, D.C.

        ..Gerry Hudson, executive vice president for the Service Employees International Union, during a Wednesday protest outside Wisconsin's offices in Washington, D.C... said he appreciates Obama's support but doesn't need his help. He fears that if the White House is too vocal, the controversy in Wisconsin and elsewhere may appear to be engineered from outside rather than a grassroots response to behavior that labor activists view as union-busting

        http://www.npr.org/...

        Support by the way
        I may not be from Wisconsin.  But I got into some heated battles on strategy at the time because I feared this was a beachhead.  I don't think it does any good to try to rewrite history.

        "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

        by justmy2 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 05:28:43 PM PST

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        •  Just keep on insulting us... (15+ / 0-)

          ...with your selective memory. You have absolutely no clue and you have proven it with your comments.

          Like I said, us backwoods idiots from Wisconsin will just bow to your wisdom.

          "Republicans only care about the rich" - My late Father (-8.25, -7.85)

          by Mark E Andersen on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 06:43:31 PM PST

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        •  One union leader who lives in Washington DC (8+ / 0-)

          does not speak for a Wisconsin grassroots effort to recall a governor. You can pull up every freaking interview that was made on National Public Radio and it still won’t prove anything.

          Since you don’t live in Wisconsin, you don’t have any clue about what really happened here and how the campaign really went. All you know is what you read on some blog, saw on the Ed Show or heard on the radio on your way to work.

          Rather than comparing Wisconsin to Ohio, picking fights by telling Wisconsinites they are “making excuses” and trying to prove things with quotes from a national radio station from a national labor leader, you should just stop. This is a blog. Your strategies of last year went out to cyber space and were only read by a few people in Wisconsin.

          What happened in Wisconsin was part of a much larger, nationwide conservative political plan that had been in the works a long, long time. We had no way to know what was planned or how it was going to be implemented. We were blindsided.

          Initially many people in Wisconsin thought that Obama would help, but it became very clear early on that he would not intervene. That Obama would not “put on his walking shoes" to walk with labor. Obama did not want to imperil his re-election by getting entangled in Wisconsin state politics.  Obama lost a lot of votes in Wisconsin because he didn’t help.

          We made the decision that we could do it without him and we told ourselves that Obama's intervention could make things worse. So we soldiered on and we did our best with what we had. Grassroots volunteers with paintbrushes and homemade signs vs. the billionaires.

          If it was a Hollywood movie, we would’ve won it all.

          "We are slow to realize that democracy is a life; and involves continual struggle." ~ "Fighting Bob" - Robert M. LaFollette Sr.

          by Sand Hill Crane on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 10:07:54 PM PST

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          •  Anyone who believes that Barack Obama is on the (1+ / 0-)
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            side of labor and of public sector unions does not know what he or she is talking about.  He and Arne Duncan are pursuing education policies that are unjustifiable in terms of improving education and only serve the forces that are trying to end public sector unions, e.g. teachers' unions.  Barack Obama is completely two-faced because he vacuums up money from public sector union members and he knows that.  But he does not serve their interests, in fact he promotes policies that oppose their interests.

            The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

            by helfenburg on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 03:41:06 AM PST

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        •  Wisconsin didn't lose the midwest swing states, (1+ / 0-)
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          the national Dems did under the leadership of conservadems Rahm & Kane.

          If The Badgers made a bad choice or two trying to clean up the mess the national leadership created, they had few options and billionaire bank accounts to contend with.

          You should look at Dem voter turn out in 2010 & 2012 in Wis. and the other midwest states and try to figure why the numbers and enthusiasm were so different and STOP insulting people while you are doing it.  

      •  Mark we're all on your side (2+ / 0-)
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        Just frustrated.  Many of us helped, donated $, bought pizza, made phone calls, etc., so I think you should cut us some slack.  We're on your side and will continue to be on your side.

        Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

        by Rosalie907 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 08:50:38 PM PST

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    •  The Dems in Wisconsin did want Nat. help (30+ / 0-)

      for the recall.
      In fact they complained publicly about not getting it. Wasserman fly out there to try to cover up things.
      I don't think it's correct to blame the entire situation on the Dems in Wisconsin.

      •  Not true... (1+ / 0-)
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        Maybe at the last minute...

        but not when it mattered...

        see my comment above...I was railed against for even suggesting that national leaders and money get involved.

        we should not try to rewrite history....

        http://www.npr.org/...

        "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

        by justmy2 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 05:31:24 PM PST

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        •  You don't even understand the article you quote (3+ / 0-)
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          Yup - you don't even understand what is in that one article you reference.
          You don't even understand what the article is about.
          Geeeze - how pathetic.
          1. The article is not about Wisconsin politics.
          2. The article is not about the Wisconsin Democratic Party turning away funding offers from the national Democratic Party.
          3.

          "We're not asking him to organize us; we can organize ourselves"
          - Remember that quote you're so fond of? He wasn't talking about money. Get it? He's talking about organizing union membeship - NOT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
          4. And, get this, he wasn't talking about Wisconsin specifically - he, Gerry Hudson, was talking about union efforts across the country.
          "He fears that if the White House is too vocal, the controversy in Wisconsin and elsewhere may appear to be engineered from outside rather than a grassroots response to behavior that labor activists view as union-busting."
          5. The final paragraph of the article sums up the subject matter of the article.
          "A new Gallup poll shows that 61 percent of Americans support collective bargaining rights. And many of these protests are in politically important swing states, such as Wisconsin, Ohio and Indiana. They are places where Republicans made big gains in the 2010 midterm elections. Democrats believe this conflict will help mobilize base voters for 2012, whether the White House is vocal or silent, and whether the unions ultimately win or lose."
          Get it? The article is NOT about money. The article is NOT about Wisconsin. The article is about the unions efforts to the counter flood of anti-union legislation that was sweeping the country.
          The article was not about the Democratic Party in Wisconsin.
          Read and comprehend before you cite an article as bolstering your bogus position.
          •  May I suggest you reread the article (0+ / 0-)

            You're wrong. Actually 100% wrong and it would seem you didn't read the whole article or my original point.  The follow up comment:

            "It might look [manufactured] and it obviously isn't," he said, "so we don't want anybody to believe for one moment that the White House is organizing this. The White House is not."
            "This" is the protests.

            That link is from a comment I had in a thread specifically about the recall and was from a supporter of the strategy to stay out.

            Suggestion:  stop while you are ahead.

            Sorry to disappoint you, but I think you may be letting your passion get in the way of the facts

            "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

            by justmy2 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 04:15:38 AM PST

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    •  From your comment: (23+ / 0-)
      . . . this can all be changed if Democrats decide it is worth running their state in addition to voting for the President.

      Um we DID vote for the President.  He carried WI despite showing no interest in our initial battle with Walker in 2011.  Many of us put aside our feelings about his failure to even mention the situation here in 2011 and DID vote to get him elected President.   He got a STRONG victory here!  Please don't accuse us of things that never happened.

      "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - from the prophet Jeremiah

      by 3goldens on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 04:13:49 PM PST

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      •  You misread. That's my point. (2+ / 0-)
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        A state that voted for Obama, also voted for Walker. They decided a D was good for the nation, but not the state.   It is tough to argue after two elections that the state wasn't aware of Walker and made a decision to give him more time.   We may not like it.  But the voters were clear.   We can do better.

        "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

        by justmy2 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 05:14:18 PM PST

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        •  Well Jesus H. Christ! (11+ / 0-)

          Just who are you blaming for people voting for Obama and Walker both?!  You're not speaking for me because I voted a STRAIGHT Democratic ticket this fall and so did a hell of a lot of other people.  How dare you lecture to people in this state who fought Walker and the Republican legislature tooth and nail; who pulled off one recall election after another---several of which we won!  Do you think it doesn't sting for us that despite ALL the effort to keep the State Senate under Democratic control that we lost it because there are assholes in this state who appear to have the brain cells of gnats?!

          As to my misread of your comment, who the hell are you to state that Democrats in this state haven't decided it's worth running their state?!  I can't force those who run the Dem Party in this state to do anything!  If you want to do some good and help us, send a letter or e-mail to Mike Tate, the Chair of the WI State Dem Party and tell HIM what he needs to do.  For your convenience, here's the link
          to his e-mail.  Have at it!

          "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - from the prophet Jeremiah

          by 3goldens on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 05:24:46 PM PST

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          •  I am blaming a state of voters (4+ / 0-)

            that saw fit to vote for the labor supporting party where it mattered least, and the labor busters in their home state.

            That isn't blaming any individual.  I am sure people cared and put up a fight.  But clearly it wasn't enough.  The Democratic Party and Union Leadership made decisions that allowed Walker to be elected once, and confirmed.

            It is impossible to say the will of the people has not been met.  That will has consequences.  Maybe the state doesn't care.  But I do.  And when I tried to fight for not allowing Walker to set a beachhead, and national dems should be going all in in Wisconsin.  I was told by Wisconsinites that "we got this".   Probably not you...but overall, the strategy did not work.  

            Maybe, seeing the results is exactly what is needed to wake people up to the impact of state elections.

            "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

            by justmy2 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 05:36:37 PM PST

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            •  Well, even the people who put up a fight (2+ / 0-)
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              are going to be seriously affected by this.  Saying they deserve it is the problem.

              •  Where did I say deserve? (2+ / 0-)
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                Sorry to be so blunt. I empathize, but this one is really what Wisconsin citizens voted for.

                "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

                by justmy2 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 06:00:32 PM PST

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                •  Right there is where you did. (3+ / 0-)

                  pay attention to what you yourself are typing.  You even just quoted the incriminating line yourself right there.   You blame "Wisconsin citizens" for a thing that is only true of some Wisconsin citizens. Blaming the entire group of individuals for the actions of a large but not unanimous number of them is bigotry against those who are in the minority in that group.

                  •  Deserve? (0+ / 0-)

                    We have a different take.  I wouldn't say we all deserverd the Reagan years.  But that was the will of the people.

                    Instead of being hurt by the truth, I suggest figuring out what went wrong and how to use Walkers tactics against him.  Complaining about how mean he is doesn't do a thing.   And it is also time to look at Wisconsin party leadership.   I say again, the state went for Obama.   What happened internally.   That is the issue.

                    Wisconsin voted for Walker.   Wisconsin is being governed by Walker.  It really isn't some type if complex equation.  Don't want to be governed by Republicans, work to elect a Democrat.  And request national help when appropriate.  And push back on national when appropriate.  Republicans aren't scared of nationalizing an election, Democrats shouldn't be scared.  Tactics were bad.  I said t at the time.  Actually when it all started.  It makes it very easy to see the issue clearly.

                    "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

                    by justmy2 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 04:22:02 AM PST

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                    •  No (3+ / 0-)
                      We have a different take.  I wouldn't say we all deserverd the Reagan years.  But that was the will of the people.
                      Liar.  That was the will of some of the people.  That is the same error you make in blaming all of Wisconsin.  That is the crux of your error and it is why you get argument over this.  When you pretend local democrats weren't mobilized, you are lying.  In a very large way.  When you pretend the local democrats didn't ask for national help, you are lying.  They asked for, and did not get, national help from the party.  If you don't like it when people push back against what you are claiming there's an easy solution - don't lie about them in the first place.  Especially when those people you are lying about are part of this website and can read what you're falsely claiming about them.
                      •  Liar....interesting choice of words (0+ / 0-)

                        Sorry...will of the people is exactly what it is when you live in a democracy.  Adding the word some, may make you feel better, but it doesn't change a thing.

                        You are making the argument Republicans are making right now. Obama only got 51% so the people haven't spoken.  Nonsense.  If we are going to based policy on % of vote, well we are really screwed.

                        And creating strawmen won't help

                        When you pretend local democrats weren't mobilized, you are lying.  
                        You did not read that in anything I wrote. As a matter of fact, my point was that WAS THE PLAN.

                        You can be mad.  You should be. But as they say.  Truth hurts.

                        And when you say people asked for national help, it simply isn't true.  And I have provided the links.   Another example of a local person during the debate.

                        This is why we don't want national and out-of-state politicians to muck this up, so it's better that Obama stay out of it.
                        You can choose to be believe the record or your memory.

                        "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

                        by justmy2 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 07:07:04 AM PST

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                        •  Apparently the truth is hurting you (1+ / 0-)
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                          so badly, justmy2, that you are "choosing to believe the record of your memory".  People in WI DID ask for national help.  It's the truth.  And the national Dems chose to step back from WI and to say nothing and do nothing.  If not for Ed Schultz, the WI situatio would never have been known at the national level.  If nothing else, MONEY from the national Dems would have helped, but it was left to the unions and the grassroots to do so and we could never match the outside money from billionaire conservatives that poured into this state.  People here have tried over and over again to explain the reality of the situation here and you have refused to listen to them because you have your own agenda.  You've made this diary about you and how you knew what needed to be done but no one listened to you and now, two YEARS after this battle was over, you've come out to even the score and make yourself feel better.  Shame on you.  What a petty, mean, vile thing you've done.  

                          "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - from the prophet Jeremiah

                          by 3goldens on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 10:40:08 AM PST

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                          •  They asked for help when it was too late. (0+ / 0-)

                            I am not trying to settle any scores with anyone.  I have no need to.

                            I am not pointing out based on memory.  I have provided links and I went back and read the relevant diaries.

                            I do not have any doubt based on my recollection and the record, that from the protests through the petition drive to the early recall process...the entire them was from the outside -this is a state thing (AKA as an excuse for Obama to go back on his promise to support union in a collective bargaining fight) and inside unions and the party telling people over and over again that this is a local issue, and the President would hurt the cause.  I know because the diaries were full of pushback.

                            My intent isn't to hurt anyone's feelings.  It is to make the point that the idea that 1. the collective bargaining fight should be fought on a state by state level is dead wrong...and 2. regardless of my personal strategic beliefs or anyone else... the citizens of Wisconsin elected Scott Walker twice.  Twice.  In a state where the same electorate voted for Obama twice.   The people spoke, and Walker is doing not only what he said he would do, he is doing what people ALREADY SAW HIM DO.

                            I am not sure why that is so hard on people.  Instead of taking offense, I suggest taking action.  And start by making sure progressives and unions never "fall in line" again just because the WH "says so".

                            Again, that isn't about my feelings.  It is about the issues that have held all of us back from progress.

                            And I don't take you statement lightly.  I know you are well meaning.  So it is important that I responded, but I stand by my statements.   There was a strategic decision to make this grassroots. It didn't work.   And it is an important lesson to learn.

                            "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

                            by justmy2 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 12:09:25 PM PST

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                          •  And btw-a lot of the push back from Wisconsin (0+ / 0-)

                            was based on the assumption the National participation in Feingolds election hurt Russ.  So there seemed to be a decision to try to keep the President and national Dems out of the picture.

                            "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

                            by justmy2 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 12:26:55 PM PST

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        •  In the Walker recall, it was demonstrated (2+ / 0-)
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          by exit polls that a majority of voters simply did not believe in recalling governors for anything less than criminal violations.  Period.  It was something over 60% if I recall.

          And that was amongst those who voted.  And a percentage of those were Dems.

          •  70% (2+ / 0-)
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            Exit poll; last question, "Do you think recall elections are appropriate:"

            60% "only for official misconduct" (i.e. when they've already been removed from office, rendering a recall moot).
            10% "never".

            What I find most interesting about the exit poll is who's not there: 150,000 typically reliable Dem voters who sat it out (34% of recall voters i.e. 850,000 voted for Barrett in 2010, but he got a hair over a million in that midterm disastrous-for-Dems election).  That is, within the bounds of error, Walker's entire margin in the recall.

            That is what an unanswered (for almost all but the last month), 6 month, $50 million campaign buys you.  Scaled up, it's as if 7 or 8 million Obama voters from 2008 were persuaded to stay home in 2012.

            Fake candidates nominated by the GOP for the recalls: 6 out of 7. Fake signatures on the recall petitions: 4 out of 1,860,283.

            by GeoffT on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 10:37:38 PM PST

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            •  The anti-recall ad campaign (5+ / 0-)

              was supremely effective, combined with the "it's working" claptrap.  I wrote about it last year... you can trace how the ads did their work by looking at the poll questions from the Marquette polls:

              Do you think the recall process should be changed to allow recalls only in the case of criminal wrongdoing, or should it be kept as it is currently, with no restrictions?

              Jan 19-22, 2012
              Allow only in cases of criminal wrongdoing          43%
              Kept as it is currently with no such restrictions   53%

              June 13-16, 2012
              Allow only in cases of criminal wrongdoing          50%
              Kept as it is currently with no such restrictions   44%

              If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. - Bishop Desmond Tutu

              by AnnieJo on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 03:05:20 AM PST

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              •  The "it's working" claptrap (2+ / 0-)
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                Involved the preliminary, unverified, not-comparable-to-any-other-states-because-they-weren't-out-yet 2011 QCEW data.

                When that did come out for other states, Wisconsin was in 38th place (which surprised few who were paying attention), down from 11th in 2010 (and infamously for the 12 months up to June 2012 we're down to 42nd place now since the effects of the Doyle 2009-11 budget in the first 6 months of 2011 slipped out of the window).

                That's what always frustrated me the most about those ads: they took a completely awful and pathetic number reflective of abysmal economic leadership and touted them as the bee's knees on the basis that they weren't as apocalyptic as the CES data.

                11th to 38th and now 42nd is what I like to try to shove down the throats of the "it's working" crowd.

                Fake candidates nominated by the GOP for the recalls: 6 out of 7. Fake signatures on the recall petitions: 4 out of 1,860,283.

                by GeoffT on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 10:09:22 AM PST

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        •  Melissa Harris Perry would laugh at you - (1+ / 0-)
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          if you were lucky.

    •  Agree completely. (9+ / 0-)

      You get the government you vote for. In this case, perfectly appropriately. So my advice to the people of Wisconsin is that you can now expect to suffer the consequences of your votes.

      Tough.

      •  LOL! (1+ / 0-)
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        We'll take your advice under consideration as soon as possible. Don't wait up for a response. Might be a couple years.

        Wisconsin, reclaiming its State motto: Forward!

        by One bite at a time on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 07:48:49 PM PST

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      •  Same for the folks in New Orleans (2+ / 0-)
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        And Alabama and Mississippi and Georgia and Florida and Chicago - right?
        How about the poor women in Texas trying to get medical care from Planned Parenthood? I suppose they deserve it too.
        Or the folks in Detroit - buncha low class rubes? Their city is about to be taken over by a state 'manager' appointed by the duly elected state legislature - and there will be no more power invested in the city officials. Do they deserve it?
        Is it "tough" for them too?
        Think about it.
        The Democrats in Wisconsin lost, in large part, because they couldn't get the funding from Debbie Wasserman and the national Democratic Party.
        Think about that one too.

      •  BBB, you are absolutely 100% correct. (1+ / 0-)
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        We live in a wonderful country with open and fair elections, an independent press, an impartial judiciary, restrained police and equal opportunity for all.

        Clearly the people visited by misfortune deserve what they get. Otherwise, why would they be unfortunate?

  •  I am so tired of the endless stories of (10+ / 0-)

    Walker's nightmare rule. When will the voters get rid of these assholes?

    Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

    by Smoh on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 03:22:46 PM PST

  •  Jail Time? (6+ / 0-)
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    When is this no good bastard Walker going to indicted?  What's the hold up?

  •  U of Wis students could hurt walker by protesting (16+ / 0-)

    to get the badgers to stop broadcasting on the local limbaugh madisons station WIBA - which is and has been behind walker all the way and like all RW radio stations works for ALEC and the RW think tanks.

    they wouldn't have to leave campus

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 03:34:30 PM PST

  •  The Wisconsin 14 fled to my home state of Illinois (11+ / 0-)

    ...two years ago, and, while I don't expect the political situation in Wisconsin to be anywhere near what it was in late winter of last year, it will get contentious once again.

    Friend of the Wisconsin Uprising from East Central Illinois! IL-15

    by DownstateDemocrat on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 03:47:18 PM PST

  •  South-central WI Federation of Labor (11+ / 0-)

    has not weighed in yet.  I'm sure the timing of this----i.e. introduce the bill last Friday; hold the hearing on it today; committee vote to send it to the full legislature Thursday----was not by accident.  This IS a "rush job" and likely caught the private sector unions off guard.  Here we go again!

    "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - from the prophet Jeremiah

    by 3goldens on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 04:39:04 PM PST

    •  Where the hell is Ed Schultz? (1+ / 0-)
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      And John Nicols for that matter.  They should be front and center on this to get word out to those who have supported Wisconsin and would do so again.  Also, were are the Unions?  This is all so under the radar.  I understand that this only happened in the past week but I'm sure there shouldn't be any way that this is not getting the attention that it should.

      Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

      by Rosalie907 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 09:17:28 PM PST

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  •  Weasels don't change their spots. n/t (4+ / 0-)

    I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night, alive as you and me.

    by plankbob on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 05:02:57 PM PST

  •  IS this how government works now? (17+ / 0-)

    Push through legislation quickly, so that nobody has time to respond or react.  Heaven forbid we actually have legislators that debate and discuss.....no, we have GOP rule by fist.  Ram through as much as possible as quickly as possible.
    The GOP has been very effective with this strategy, unfortunately.  I don't recognize WI any more, despite living here all of my life.

    Wisconsin: It's war, you know. We didn't start it, but we'll keep fighting in it until we win

    by isewquilts2 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 05:09:10 PM PST

  •  Giles, just FYI (13+ / 0-)

    I tweeted links to your diary to both John Nichols and The Ed Show on MSNBC.  I think both of those guys would want to know about this.  Nichols was on Ed's radio show this AM and never mentioned this latest Walker bomb----the Nation Magazine is working on a big layout for this weekend regarding the sequester so he probably isn't even aware of it.  Ed didn't mention it either which makes me think that they're unaware of this latest move by the Repubs.

    "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - from the prophet Jeremiah

    by 3goldens on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 05:28:38 PM PST

  •  Far more damaging than right to work. (5+ / 0-)

    Think about it, they can lay off the union guys by cutting their hours.  What if they cut them 38 hours per week and bumped up joe "cheap" worker.

    The point to take from the discussion is that if we turn out Milwaukee and 30 % of union households wake the f... Up we can win.  

    Yes, the national dems turned their back on us...including the President.  The President could have been very useful in turning out the Milwaukee vote.  Instead, he sent Bill.

    •  Apparently 10-50% of hours (5+ / 0-)
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      From SB26 (my bold):

      (2) Elements of plan. Any employer may create a work-share program. Prior to implementing a work-share program, an employer shall submit a work-share plan for the approval of the department. In its submittal, the employer shall certify that its plan is in compliance with all requirements under this section. Each plan shall:
      [...]
      (h) Specify the normal average hours per week worked by the employees in the work unit and the intended reduction or range of reduction in the average hours of work per week worked by the employees under the plan, which shall be at least 10 percent but not more than 50 percent of the normal hours per work of the employees included under the plan.

      Fake candidates nominated by the GOP for the recalls: 6 out of 7. Fake signatures on the recall petitions: 4 out of 1,860,283.

      by GeoffT on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 07:44:39 PM PST

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  •  I've never understood this attitude that permeates (35+ / 0-)

    the comment thread here, that somehow "the people of Wisconsin deserve what they got." There is an intense smugness, for one, when such Pronunciators announce from on high "what we deserve." It is also very, very weird to hear that "we didn't seek or want national help" in this struggle. That was certainly never my experience! We were appalled when Obama wouldn't visit. We were desperate to have national help! We were desperate to have a good candidate! We were desperate to have real money come in to counter the millions that saturated a 24/7 bandwidth. To hear some of you, with your "oh well, elections have consequences!" and "suck it up, you get what you elect" makes me want to go over and make some friends at Red State. So, I'll be very, very out of character and (please indulge me here) say Fuck You with a memory of all the bridges, and the signatures, all the rallies, all the below fucking freezing weather when my kids needed taking to Tae Kwon Do and we were on the side of the streets getting the middle fingers from passing motorists, getting our cars keyed, getting some of the ugliest treatment imaginable from neighbors and fellow citizens.

    So, Fuck You, you armchair assholes who know so much what  we deserve. You could just as easily be hunkering down tonight with President Mitt, and I'd say "Oh well, let's be real! You get the country you deserve!" And we deserve Keystone XL, asshole, and we deserve the Iron Mines up north. Canada, of course, deserves a scraping of the shield to uncover an odd prehistoric blend of oil exudate and sand. Coastal cities deserve unremedied miseries of hurricane aftermaths, the deep South deserves the seething racist legacy of slavery's shadow... After all, elections have consequences, and ya'll sitting in the shit is because you can't get your own asses clean.

    Did I say, Fuck you?!

    2govcrappy-capitol

  •  Sorry I can't get all... (3+ / 0-)

    ...upset.  The people o the state had thier chance and buy the numbers at the polls a great number of democrats had thier chance to recall him but didn't.

    I am outraged out.

    We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

    by delver rootnose on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 06:27:50 PM PST

    •  Yeah, see above. Tell me what you do, and (14+ / 0-)

      I'll tell you if I give a shit.

      •  Don't whine at me... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...it was your state that voted for him twice.  Once when he was elected and once when he was not recalled.

        I am sorry your efforts didn't achieve any results but that is not my fault.

        I guess since I live in Illinois I am used to corrupt politicians.  And failing to oust them, frequently because they are Democrats.

        So enjoy your time at Redstate.

        We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

        by delver rootnose on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 06:51:36 PM PST

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          •  and this gets uprates... (0+ / 0-)

            ...boy oh boy this place is really fallen.

            We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

            by delver rootnose on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 09:44:13 PM PST

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            •  Go fuck yourself. (5+ / 0-)

              Get fucked. Fuck off.  Get the fuck out of my diary with your fucking fucked up flatlander bullshit you dumb, stupid fuck.

              Why don't you go call some rape victims sluts? How about standing outside a VA hospital and calling disabled veterans cowards and gimps? I have a friend dying of cancer. How about you call her up and tell her her bald head is offensive and she deserves to die?

              Fuck you.

              "They are an entire cruise ship of evil clowns, these current Republicans"...concernedamerican

              by Giles Goat Boy on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 10:04:12 PM PST

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              •  and when did I say any of... (0+ / 0-)

                ...that.

                We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

                by delver rootnose on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 10:41:40 PM PST

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              •  Oh and sorry I pissed you off.. (1+ / 0-)
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                ...my own cynicism is the result of my own political failings.  And that those I supported were ultimately messed over by other Democrats.  You deserve an apology as I know you have worked hard and I can understand your frustration as I live in an area that shouldn’t be voting republican but does.

                My own life is messed up enough to make me really pissy sometimes so sorry.  And I don’t see anyone in politics that gives a shit.

                We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

                by delver rootnose on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 11:18:28 PM PST

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                •  Apology accepted. (1+ / 0-)
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                  I understand the feeling that nobody in politics gives a shit. One good thing about Wisconsin's uprising is that it has motivatd a lot of people who do give a shit to get involved, even run for office.

                  That may not be enough. Maybe we need a general strike or something even more dramatic to turn the tide, but we're not doomed. We're talking about shifting maybe 5% of the electorate. We have had only a few successes at the polls so far, but we're ready when the time comes, and it will. People will only put up with Walker's bullshit for so long. It's finally starting to hit them in their local communities. No jobs, school closings. It can't continue forever.

                  I can't wait to start writing about the phoenix that is rising from the ashes, but things are still burning right now, unfortunately.

                  "They are an entire cruise ship of evil clowns, these current Republicans"...concernedamerican

                  by Giles Goat Boy on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 05:58:46 AM PST

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                  •  While I applaud the sentiment... (1+ / 0-)
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                    ...I don't think a general strike would do much more that harden marginal voters opinions against the unions especially as any press you would get would be filtered by the rightwing press.  Even the so called liberal press is not all that liberal.

                    General strikes in Europe have not stopped austerity there.

                    We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

                    by delver rootnose on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 07:45:46 PM PST

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              •  Whoa, Giles. (3+ / 0-)
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                Tell me how you really feel!

                I'm sorry your diary has brought out the trolls. It's really sad. The comments here make me very depressed.

                •  The thing is... (4+ / 0-)

                  I understand the feeling that some people are tired of the Wisconsin avalanche of bad news. I don't mean the actual trolls. I ignore them, but some others should know better and maybe they need someone to slap them in the face and let them know that as frustrated as they are, we in Wisconsin actually have to try to live under these conditions. It's hard enough, as you know, especially when it's so unnecessary and when it's the result of half your neighbors declaring war on the other half. It makes it even harder when your alleged friends tell you it's your own fault. My messy bathroom is my fault. Scott Walker is not my fault.

                  If anyone outside Wisconsin is tired of the bad news from here, maybe they should take a break and not click on the Wisconsin diaries for a while.

                  "They are an entire cruise ship of evil clowns, these current Republicans"...concernedamerican

                  by Giles Goat Boy on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 05:49:10 AM PST

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        •  You simply must not know who you (9+ / 0-)

          are talking to.

          And I think it's a fair assumption that anyone posting in DKos WI diaries who lives here has probably been busting ass for the past two years to fight this administration.

          So the condescension in this diary is simply unwelcome.  You want to give it, drive up to Janesville and chew out some private union members who you know voted against their interests.

          I've lived in Illinois.  Even given the corruption, as a Democrat it is a place of privilege compared to the battleground that Wisconsin has become.

  •  So What Is It That They Want (2+ / 0-)
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    Is it that they think it's beneficial to have a system where workers are treated like shit? What kind of person desires something like that?

    And I know the answer will be "a sociopath" but that's not the answer I'm looking for. Billionaires are already billionaires. Why would they even bother to want people to have wages low enough not to be able to afford the necessities in life?

    This head movie makes my eyes rain.

    by The Lone Apple on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 06:53:01 PM PST

    •  I think it comes down to one or two (10+ / 0-)

      very powerful motivations:  Power and Greed.  The billionaires behind this are drunk on power and their greed is insatiable---they can never get enough money or power.  And another possible motivator is that they believe to their very roots that they are entitled to everything and anything their black hearts desire and the hell with anyone who doesn't bow down to serve their needs and wants.

      "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - from the prophet Jeremiah

      by 3goldens on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 07:53:12 PM PST

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    •  Because they care so much (2+ / 0-)
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      People with wages low enough not to be able to afford necessities don't buy many foreign goods.  Thus the trade deficit will be reduced to sustainable proportions, thus saving the economy.  Won't somebody think of the children?

      Oops, sorry, it's the national debt this decade, isn't it?

      Fake candidates nominated by the GOP for the recalls: 6 out of 7. Fake signatures on the recall petitions: 4 out of 1,860,283.

      by GeoffT on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 08:25:40 PM PST

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  •  I'm quite that many of these private union members (10+ / 0-)

    are quite surprised by this and they probably didn't see this coming. Private and public unions are often in competition with each other, so I'm sure a lot of private union members thought only the public union members would get screwed over (no group is immunized to "head-in-ass disease") ... look at how many dirt-poor Republicans are out there.

    And I'm not saying all, but many.

    As for Walker, he did win a good 1/3 (if not more) of union households; I suspect that many of these people were 1) jealous of union family members, 2) had reasons or beliefs that overruled their union membership or 3) were private union members who thought what Walker was doing would never effect them.

  •  I get such a bang out of the (9+ / 0-)

    Wisconsin bashers in these diaries (most of whom have probably never stepped foot in this State).
    Their naivete about political power shows in their complete misunderstanding of the climate here.

    Wisconsin, reclaiming its State motto: Forward!

    by One bite at a time on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 07:38:08 PM PST

    •  Yeah, they can all fuck themselves. (10+ / 0-)

      I have HAD IT UP TO HERE with that bullshit. They don't know what the hell they're talking about, and somehow if you write a diary about the criminal and damaging stuff going on, the response is "you voted for it. you deserve it."

      You know what? EVEN IF WE DID VOTE FOR IT, WE DO NOT DESERVE IT. Are you telling poor people that the deserve to be thrown off medicare? Even if they voted for the people who will throw them off medicare?

      Are you so naive that you think people don't vote against their best interests EVERY DAMN DAY OF THE WEEK? What the hell is wrong with people here?

  •  Aww, Wisconsin .. it only hurts for a little while (1+ / 0-)
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    But as time goes on and you get screwed in the ass over and over, as your employment rates, health coverage percentages, education quality, and water and air degrade, as more and more of you get fat on cheap junk food (because you can't afford good stuff) and chronically diseased because you can't afford doctor visits, and scramble for what low-paying jobs there are, you'll not even feel it anymore, just accept it as the way it's always been. You'll eventually drift down into a dull torpor, overeating, beating up (or shooting) your spouses, drinking to excess, becoming Born Again, etc.  Though life will turn into a long slow dull existence you just slog through, you teach your kids how to slog  through, and you'll die early slogging through, and basically you'll be just like Mississippi or Alabama, you'll get right ornery with anybody who dares say ANYTHING about your sweet old home state. Yes, the fall will come, but the pride remains.

    BTW, wasn't 2012 the year Wisconsin was going to get tough and kick out all these Republican plantation owners?

    Ash-sha'b yurid isqat an-nizzam!

    by fourthcornerman on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 08:02:56 PM PST

    •  We elected Barack Obama and Tammy Baldwin (7+ / 0-)

      We had 200,000 more votes made for Democrats, but the districts for Congress, State Senate and Assembly were gerrymandered in 2010. The GOP controlled legislature did the redistricting of the state.

      New districts were drawn so that Democrats were concentrated in fewer districts, more districts were 60% or more Republican voters and there were few, if any, districts that could flip from Republican to Democrat. Many Democratic Assembly incumbents had their home “drawn out" of their districts so they would would either have to move to stay in their district or run in a new district.

      We ran Democrats in every district for every election and there were some surprises, but in general the gerrymandered districts won the day.

      "We are slow to realize that democracy is a life; and involves continual struggle." ~ "Fighting Bob" - Robert M. LaFollette Sr.

      by Sand Hill Crane on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 10:33:35 PM PST

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  •  So ya don't like us, huh? (6+ / 0-)

    We don't care about your negative judgements.  I don't care about your slander.  I love Wisconsin, I love my sister and fellow citizens, and I will continue to fight for good government and good medical and social services for all residents of this state.

    We never give up.

  •  You know what Giles (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm sick and tired of reading about these things going on in Wisconsin.  Despite what's previously happened, voters still voted for the same crap that you previously had.  Where the hell was their wake up call?  How could they have allowed the Republicons to retain control of both chambers along with the Governorship. Although I know Walker is not up for re-election until 2014, the way things look now, he'll probably get re-elected.  

    Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

    by Rosalie907 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 08:38:51 PM PST

    •  Will you care when it happens in your state? (4+ / 0-)
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      Or more than half of all states? Does it only matter when it affects you personally?

      •  what makes you think it... (0+ / 0-)

        ...hasn't already happened to many of us.  And some of us under democratic leadership.

        We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

        by delver rootnose on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 09:46:49 PM PST

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      •  I care about all states (0+ / 0-)

        Right now here in NY we have Democrats in charge but I know that can change and then we might be in the same position as you are.  In NYC we have a Mayor who would love to see the unions dismantled but so far he hasn't had luck with that and with only 10 months left to his term, I doubt he will.  Therefore, I know we're only 1 election away from having the same problems as Wisconsin.

        Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

        by Rosalie907 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 12:07:39 AM PST

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    •  Ya know what? (6+ / 0-)

      I’m sick and tired of people treating this like Wisconsin is reality show and they don’t like the actors.

      This is real life, real politics.

      What is happening in Wisconsin is what happens when billionaires and corporations get involved in state politics.

      The money flows, the lobbyists schmooze, the politicians are bought, the ads appear, the newspapers kowtow, the media  doesn’t investigate, and the electorate is overwhelmed.

      Maybe your state is pristine blue, but just wait until the billionaires and corporations are done with Wisconsin and they move on your state next.

      BTW - Wisconsin voted BLUE in the last election. We elected Barack Obama to become President and Tammy Baldwin to become our first woman Senator and the first openly gay Senator in history of the country.

      We had 200,000 more votes cast for Democrats in state races, but the districts for Congress, State Senate and Assembly were gerrymandered to favor Republicans. The redistricting process was done by the GOP controlled legislature in 2010. They drew the districts so Democrats were concentrated in fewer districts, more districts were 60% or more Republican voters and there were few, if any, districts that could flip from Republican to Democrat. Many Democratic Assembly incumbents had their home “cut out" of their districts so they would would either have to move to stay in their district or run in a new district.

      We ran Democrats in every district for every election and there were some surprises, but in general the gerrymandered districts won the day.

      Oh. Scott Walker run for re-election? Don’t bet on it. It is more likely that he sits it out so he doesn’t get muddied when Wisconsin really tanks.

      Walker will run for President in 2016 and he’ll backed by the billionaires and the corporations. He’ll be your problem then.

      "We are slow to realize that democracy is a life; and involves continual struggle." ~ "Fighting Bob" - Robert M. LaFollette Sr.

      by Sand Hill Crane on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 10:58:31 PM PST

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      •  Understand (0+ / 0-)

        That we, who don't live in Wisconsin, are frustrated with what's going on there.  We mean no disrespect and know there are many of you who worked your tails off to stop Walker, in the recall and in the 2012 elections.  

        Look, here in New York State we had the Republicon controlled Senate create an additional seat for the State Senate.  This seat was supposed to give them permanent control of the State Senate.  Guess what?  The seat was won be a Democrat and she won it by just 19 votes!  

        I'm glad that Wisconsin voted for Obama and for Tammy Baldwin also.  I, and I'm sure others, are just frustrated at how there are so many people in Wisconsin who could allow this to happen, to re-elect people who are killing your state and who voted against the re-call.  Please know that we are now, and will be in the future, on your side.

        Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

        by Rosalie907 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 12:19:38 AM PST

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  •  Ed Brooks has a Democratic-leaning AD (3+ / 0-)
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    He should be a top target for Democrats in 2014 because of this proposed legislation that Brooks has cosponsored and the fact that his district is trending blue.

    Here's a map of WI-AD-50

    Friend of the Wisconsin Uprising from East Central Illinois! IL-15

    by DownstateDemocrat on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 09:34:20 PM PST

  •  im really fed up (0+ / 0-)

    I have felt like this for a long time.  After the voters of Wisconsin kept that crook Walker in office, and then they went and voted for Obama again.

    This led me to think, what kind of voter would vote for Obama and also vote to keep Walker, the union buster in office?  And I dont buy this excuse they were just againt recalls in general.   I believe there are enough Democrats in Wisconsin and in other states who are willing to go along with an anti-union agenda to allow the Republicans to do what they have been doing since Reagan, bust the unions.

    Even Obama did was conspicuously absent when labor needed him the most, during the recall campaign.  He kept his "powder dry."  

    Im really fed up with Wisconsin right now and after voting to keep Walker I think that is what they really want.   They are getting what they deserve.  My heart goes out to the good people there who gave their heart and soul to the recall effort, but apparently there is not the progressive majority in Wisconsin there used to be.

    Obama's coalition of victory in Wisconsin apparently includes a number of anti union elements.   Turnout could be an explantion, but if progressives are motivated enough to get out and vote for Obama, yet could not get out and vote for the welfare of their own neighbors, they does not endear them to mean.

    On Wisconsin!  but you're going to have to do it without my sympathy this time, because Im fed up with you.

    •  sorry (0+ / 0-)

      For all the typos,  its 330 am in here, and I am sleepy.
      but the sentiments the same

    •  You're pretty much a jerk. (2+ / 0-)
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      You're tired of hearing about our woes so you have no sympathy? We didn't manage to fight off the millions and millions of dollars that poured into the recall election, so we don't deserve sympathy?

      I appreciate your honesty. Why don't you go kick a homeless person today and get it out of your system. I am sure the failures of the chronically ill or unemployed or disabled or poor get on your nerves as well, and a few letters to the editor about how sick you are of hearing their never-ending plight has sapped your empathy dry.

    •  Dear Giles, Thank you so much for this diary. (3+ / 0-)

      I would not otherwise have known this was happening, b/c our corporate WI media is not reporting it. I hope ridiculous comments like the one above won't dissuade you from keeping fellow Wisconsinites informed with your diaries. I certainly could understand how it might, but I encourage you to keep writing. Of all the WI diarists, I find I look forward to yours the most.

      While I don't have a name for the attitude expressed above, I'd say it's a close cousin to the hubris we see coming from the ignorant wing on the right. It's unfortunate to see in our own party, but there it is. This is the attitude that the right likes to call elitism. I think it's a false label, however. To me it is simple shortsightedness--an inability to see beyond oneself mixed with a dash of poor critical thinking skills. Not so dissimilar to the crazy right we like to bash, it is the achilles heel of our party.

      While pointing out their obvious shortcomings (and I did so appreciate the colorful nature of your reply!) can offer immediate gratification, I think in the long run it doesn't do much to change the troll-like attitudes. Please keep writing for your fellow Wisconsinites. We can't express our gratitude enough!

  •  The "you get what you deserve" comments (4+ / 0-)

    here are hurting my heart at this point even more than the new attack from the money machine.

    Here's a news report on what I personally have been helping organize here in Wisconsin from just this week: pushback on behalf of families of students with disabilities against those who wish to privatize our kids' education and strip them of federal education protections in the process.  We have a statewide non-partisan grassroots group put together for this....

    Look at the event at that link, look at the faces of the children we're working for... and you're fed up with us?

    The billionaire assault, on so many many fronts, is disempowering enough without having those who should be agreeing with us -- those who should be with us -- turning their backs on us.

    I'm trying very hard to hang on to the "gentle" in the "we are a gentle, angry people" that gets sung every noon in the Capitol Rotunda.   But oh, this is hurting my heart.

    If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. - Bishop Desmond Tutu

    by AnnieJo on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 03:38:42 AM PST

    •  I've been watching the info coming (2+ / 0-)
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      out about how Walker's education "reforms" are going to devastate provision for meeting the needs of students with disabilities and have gotten a clear read that this governor doesn't care about children with disabilities or those who care about them.  The people who showed up here to taunt and lecture us aren't worth spit.  Don't let them get you down, AnnieJo.  They know nothing about the reality of what's happening here and thus their opinions are nothing but hot air.  They should be ashamed!  

      "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - from the prophet Jeremiah

      by 3goldens on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 09:59:32 AM PST

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      •  Thanks 3goldens! (3+ / 0-)
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        Yes, they should be ashamed.

        Our Stop Special Needs Voucher group, with ZERO funding -- an entirely volunteer / parent-based organization -- got the school privatizers on the run this week.

        They weren't going to make their big splashy announcement until the budget actually appeared.  But we pre-empted them, in a big way.  We totally got out in front of their propaganda, with strong statements by passionate families (with great photo-ops from our kids) that got wide news coverage and set the narrative.

        The lobbyists from American Families for Children came to the press event in their fancy suits and were scurrying around in the halls afterwards trying to spin the disaster (for them), and figure out which billionaires were funding US.  Hah.  I bought the damn nametags and posterboard out of my own pocket, guys.

        Awesome article in The Progressive about our cause (we're non-partisan, but we sure do welcome sympathetic press):
        Walker's Ploy on Special Needs Vouchers

        If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. - Bishop Desmond Tutu

        by AnnieJo on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 02:48:51 AM PST

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        •  I mean, American Federation for Children. nt (1+ / 0-)
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          If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. - Bishop Desmond Tutu

          by AnnieJo on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 02:49:29 AM PST

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        •  Good for you! Well done. (1+ / 0-)
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          Will check out your link to the article in The Progressive asap.  

          "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - from the prophet Jeremiah

          by 3goldens on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:50:04 AM PST

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  •  Could this law, even if passed, stand up in court? (2+ / 0-)
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    Can a state enact legislation of this sort in light of the fed's occupying the labor relations arena?

    The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

    by helfenburg on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 03:46:35 AM PST

    •  That's a good question and one that (1+ / 0-)
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      I'd like an answer to as well.  The private sector unions are under the National Labor Relations Act.  I question how a state legislature can enact legislation that would seemingly be prohibited under the NLRA. Hopefully, more information about how this attempt by WI Republicans to neuter the law governing private sector unions can be defeated.

      "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - from the prophet Jeremiah

      by 3goldens on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 09:53:00 AM PST

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      •  Caught some of "The Devil's Advocate" (1+ / 0-)
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        tonight on the drive home. Not one of my favorite local shows but I was interested to hear the Right leaning Dominic (?) saying he was opposed to Walker messing around with private unions. His reason? Big Government. Government should not be involved in dictating the contracts between individuals and parties in the private sector. Where would it end? was his rationale. Interesting - wonder if more right leaners feel that way?

        Wisconsin, reclaiming its State motto: Forward!

        by One bite at a time on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 04:05:52 PM PST

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        •  That IS a different take----but it makes (0+ / 0-)

          sense in terms of the conservatives' ideology.  I think the next few weeks and even months are going to be interesting (and hopefully not painful).  Labor is going to have to take action about this move by Walker . . . . . and I read today on the Cognitive Dissonance blog (check it out if you're not familiar with it) that that blog owner expects Labor will shut this state down.  Here's the link to that blog.

          "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - from the prophet Jeremiah

          by 3goldens on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 05:01:07 PM PST

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  •  Where are the voters in Wisconsin? (0+ / 0-)

    How can they allow this?

    ¡Cállate o despertarás la izquierda! - protest sign in Spain

    by gjohnsit on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 05:42:58 AM PST

  •  Redirect your "you get what you deserve" comments (2+ / 0-)
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    to wisconsin tea party blogs.  This group knows the impact of the GOP machine.  Do some good and point out the impact to middle to low income tea partners instead of taunting hard working progressives.

    You whiners remind me of a basketball player on my little girls team that whines when someone else does not make a shot.  We are on the front lines dodging their personal attacks and you come here for who knows what purpose.

    Go stand in a parking lot in the middle of nowhere and have tear tiers display their guns.  No, you don't even have the courage to fight a computer battle in their blogs...you come here.

  •  We can avoid all this (1+ / 0-)
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    We can avoid this whole Union busting if the government did it's job.  The whole reason we need Unions is to pick up the slack of the lack luster employment regulations by the government.  We shouldn't need a Union to fight an employer who pay's their executives 400 times more than their average worker we should have laws that forbid it.  Company's strive from the work of all their employees and those benefits should be shared by all not just the highest paid executives.

  •  I live in Wisconsin (2+ / 0-)
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    This was a grassroots movement until the "corporate unions" and traditional Dems took it over. All this inertia was then channeled into "Recalls" and other worthless ventures.

    The real power of Unions is withholding their labor. When this whole thing came down , the teachers should have walked out and stayed out until the Repubs backed down. That actually works. Of course, the corporatist unions would never allow this. Some Unions did want to strike but were concerned of their image. As if being unfairly demonized for decades by the right wing noise machine has enhanced their image.

    It's all puff and nonsense. You won't win politically. Your Grandfathers, Grandmothers, Fathers and Mothers went on strike to gain a decent standard of living and remain viable. It's the only thing you have to use. Withholding your labor collectively.

  •  Wow GGB, this really sucks. Sadly I'm not in (1+ / 0-)
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    any way surprised by this move.

    These Kochroaches never slow down.  They keep coming, and coming and coming.  My politically idiotic private sector union member cousin will most surely vote for Herr Walker again and then piss and moan about Democrats because he is utterly clueless and hopelessly brainwashed by Faux News about what the real truth is.

    Too many folks everywhere are too lazy, disinterested, gullible or hateful to understand that Republicans want the middle class annihilated.  Period.  End of story.  DEATH to The New Deal.  This is not only happening in WI.  It's just another move these used colonstony bags are making right now.

    What scumbags, Walker and the whole lot of them.

    "For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die." Ted Kennedy 1980 DNC Keynote Speech

    by Dumas EagerSeton on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 01:34:54 PM PST

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